I agree. Frameworks like: <div class="table"> <div class="tr"> <div class="td">...</div> <div class="td">...</div> </div> </div> remin

I agree. Frameworks like: <div class="table"> <div class="tr"> <div class="td">...</div> <div class="td">...</div> </div> </div> remind me of tables too. They tend to add a few unneeded or non-semantic div's. And they don't really separate content and design. It is a lesser-of-two-evils thing for me, because sometimes grids/frameworks can save me a lot of time. Ideally you'd use semantic-sounding classnames and don't include unnecessary div's.