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> Eclipse gets a lot of automatic hate - I believe mostly since a lot of people first use it in university and struggled with their first real IDE. More like E

by morcus 8mo ago

> Eclipse gets a lot of automatic hate - I believe mostly since a lot of people first use it in university and struggled with their first real IDE. More like Eclipse struggled on the kind of hardware that people could afford as a student. My main memories of Eclipse (15 years ago at this point) are waiting forever for it to start up, though it was pretty adequate after that.

DrewADesign 8mo ago
Right, but it’s essentially a fancy text editing environment. It should never have needed anything but barebones hardware.
- rovr138 8mo ago
  > essentially a fancy text editing environment No, it’s an IDE first. Not a text editor that’s extensible. It has a lot of features built-in, pre-enabled, and configured out of the box. Yes, it can edit text. But it can do a lot more.
  - gosub100 8mo ago
    And it clearly violated the "only pay for what you use" philosophy. Like driving a bulldozer to get a soda.
  - DrewADesign 8mo ago
    Until you actually do any of those things, an IDE is a fancy text editor.
    - rovr138 8mo ago
      and a 747 is a nice bed until you fly it. Doesn't mean it's overkill and a plane.
      - DrewADesign 8mo ago
        That's an absurd comparison, and you know it. Until an IDE actually performs some task that requires more advanced functionality, like analyzing a complex existing project to open without anything cached, compiling, profiling, etc. it is literally just editing text files. The only IDE that I use that takes anywhere CLOSE to the amount of time that Eclipse does to get moving is Unreal Engine. Any Jetbrains IDE, X Code, Visual Studio... all blow it away. I just opened a project in Visual Studio 2022 on a portability-focused laptop from 2018-- from click to the project open screen, it was about 3 seconds. From the project open screen to having an existing project completely open, it was 3 or so more seconds. On an 8 year old, tiny, not-optimized windows laptop.
gosub100 8mo ago
I remember the first thing you had to do with eclipse was increase the memory limit so the obese hog called JVM could have barely enough room to wiggle around.

by morcus 8mo ago

DrewADesign 8mo ago

Right, but it’s essentially a fancy text editing environment. It should never have needed anything but barebones hardware.

rovr138 8mo ago
> essentially a fancy text editing environment No, it’s an IDE first. Not a text editor that’s extensible. It has a lot of features built-in, pre-enabled, and configured out of the box. Yes, it can edit text. But it can do a lot more.
- gosub100 8mo ago
  And it clearly violated the "only pay for what you use" philosophy. Like driving a bulldozer to get a soda.
- DrewADesign 8mo ago
  Until you actually do any of those things, an IDE is a fancy text editor.
  - rovr138 8mo ago
    and a 747 is a nice bed until you fly it. Doesn't mean it's overkill and a plane.
    - DrewADesign 8mo ago
      That's an absurd comparison, and you know it. Until an IDE actually performs some task that requires more advanced functionality, like analyzing a complex existing project to open without anything cached, compiling, profiling, etc. it is literally just editing text files. The only IDE that I use that takes anywhere CLOSE to the amount of time that Eclipse does to get moving is Unreal Engine. Any Jetbrains IDE, X Code, Visual Studio... all blow it away. I just opened a project in Visual Studio 2022 on a portability-focused laptop from 2018-- from click to the project open screen, it was about 3 seconds. From the project open screen to having an existing project completely open, it was 3 or so more seconds. On an 8 year old, tiny, not-optimized windows laptop.

gosub100 8mo ago

I remember the first thing you had to do with eclipse was increase the memory limit so the obese hog called JVM could have barely enough room to wiggle around.