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I mean, if your argument is, "Bending Spoons made a bad investment," then sure, okay. That's not implausible! Companies make bad investments. But I don't rea

I mean, if your argument is, "Bending Spoons made a bad investment," then sure, okay. That's not implausible! Companies make bad investments. But I don't really see what overall lessons there are here.

johnnyanmac 9mo ago
>But I don't really see what overall lessons there are here. So many chains to keep up with. There wasn't really a lesson here. Just "Vimeo is not Evernote"? My wider lesson unrelated to this chain is that US at will employnent sucks and we need to overhaul it. You don't create a trusting career by treating employees like toys to discard.
- aetherson 9mo ago
  The US has enriched a vastly larger number of software engineers through at will employment that Europe has through making it very hard to fire people who aren't adding value.
  - johnnyanmac 9mo ago
    1. I don't know how that's relevant to my argument at all. This is just "you criticize society, yet you participate in it" dismissal. 2. This is like saying "Asia has better rice because it employs more rice makers than the US". Besides being dubious in truth, that also isn't a good measurement for "enrichment" nor "quality". It's just saying that there's more money being put into the industry in this country than another counry's industry. 3. Even if I took this as truth, this didnt happen overnight. I worry about how Gen Z will be "enriched" in this model, and saying "but millenials/Gen X had great careers" is condescending to Gen Z at best. The rules changed over their careers, and we're still using the old rules to talk about how good we have it. Or had it. Gen Z doesn't know what those rules are anymore, so there's nothing to fall in love with.
    - senordevnyc 9mo ago
      The point for me is that "a trusting career" costs far more than it's worth. I would much rather make 3x as much in America with less job security.
      - WJW 9mo ago
        That's fine, but different people have different risk tolerances and preferences. There's many people who would never want to emigrate to the USA, and many Americans who emigrate abroad. There's no one country that fits all personalities.
        senordevnyc 9mo ago
        Agreed, I’m responding to someone who is criticizing the American way of doing it, so I’m explaining the tradeoffs as I see them.

johnnyanmac 9mo ago

>But I don't really see what overall lessons there are here. So many chains to keep up with. There wasn't really a lesson here. Just "Vimeo is not Evernote"? My wider lesson unrelated to this chain is that US at will employnent sucks and we need to overhaul it. You don't create a trusting career by treating employees like toys to discard.

aetherson 9mo ago
The US has enriched a vastly larger number of software engineers through at will employment that Europe has through making it very hard to fire people who aren't adding value.
- johnnyanmac 9mo ago
  1. I don't know how that's relevant to my argument at all. This is just "you criticize society, yet you participate in it" dismissal. 2. This is like saying "Asia has better rice because it employs more rice makers than the US". Besides being dubious in truth, that also isn't a good measurement for "enrichment" nor "quality". It's just saying that there's more money being put into the industry in this country than another counry's industry. 3. Even if I took this as truth, this didnt happen overnight. I worry about how Gen Z will be "enriched" in this model, and saying "but millenials/Gen X had great careers" is condescending to Gen Z at best. The rules changed over their careers, and we're still using the old rules to talk about how good we have it. Or had it. Gen Z doesn't know what those rules are anymore, so there's nothing to fall in love with.
  - senordevnyc 9mo ago
    The point for me is that "a trusting career" costs far more than it's worth. I would much rather make 3x as much in America with less job security.
    - WJW 9mo ago
      That's fine, but different people have different risk tolerances and preferences. There's many people who would never want to emigrate to the USA, and many Americans who emigrate abroad. There's no one country that fits all personalities.
      - senordevnyc 9mo ago
        Agreed, I’m responding to someone who is criticizing the American way of doing it, so I’m explaining the tradeoffs as I see them.