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> supply management is far better than the alternatives. Why, then, only dairy, poultry, eggs, and — at least until 2007 when the government bought back the qu

by 9rx 9mo ago

> supply management is far better than the alternatives. Why, then, only dairy, poultry, eggs, and — at least until 2007 when the government bought back the quota — tobacco production? If the farmers growing the foods that are actually deemed important in a healthy diet end up bankrupt, no big deal? > It also ensures the market price is fair to farmers. Well, it creates a two-tier system where the 'blessed' farmers who are born into it (or born into a European farm that can be sold at a high enough price to buy a farmer in Canada out) have artificially high incomes to spend on land, equipment, etc. at inflated prices. It is hard to think that is fair to all the other farmers who have to compete against the farmers of the world when selling their product but have to pay supply managed farmer prices for inputs. I suppose everything is in the eye of the beholder. I'll grant you that all the other farmers' retirement plan is to sell off their land to a supply managed farmer who will pay way more than it is worth. That keeps the peace. Bit sad to see everything go to those producers who get special treatment, though.

foofoo55 9mo ago
Supply management does have its problems, but given the involvement of imperfect humans nothing will be without problems. Canadian pork, beef, and vegetable farmers that I personally know also complain that they can't enact supply management for their sector. They also envy the appearance of high profits, an easy life, and government subsidies & bailouts (yes, Canadian dairy farmers still receive those) for those in a supply managed sector. At the end of the day, consumers get stable and somewhat realistic prices and supply, while farmers also get stable income.
- 9rx 9mo ago
  > consumers get stable and somewhat realistic prices [...] while farmers also get stable income. Which? You can't have both. Input costs are subject to the whims of non-supply managed markets. When, say, input costs rise either the farmer has to absorb that cost (unstable income), or the cost has to be passed on to the customer (unstable consumer price). > and supply Oh? https://www.ctvnews.ca/atlantic/article/some-maritime-grocery-stores-facing-lactose-free-milk-shortage/ https://www.ctvnews.ca/atlantic/article/some-maritime-grocer..., https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/canada/after-the-u-s-is-canada-also-facing-a-shortage-why-is-the-country-importing-eggs-from-ukraine-these-could-be-the-reasons/articleshow/120097235.cms https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/cana..., https://farmersforum.com/cracks-in-supply-management/ https://farmersforum.com/cracks-in-supply-management/
  - yetihehe 9mo ago
    > > consumers get stable and somewhat realistic prices [...] while farmers also get stable income. > Which? You can't have both Maybe not in USA. Looks like another problem that only one developed country says is impossible to solve.
    - mlrtime 9mo ago
      But it is solved here, its whats happening. Food prices are mostly stable (relatively speaking)
    - 9rx 9mo ago
      > Maybe not in USA. Maybe not. I grew up on a Canadian dairy farm, and have continued to farm in Canada ever since, so that is beyond my expertise. I have not participated in US-based farming. I can only meaningfully speak to Canadian agriculture. A connection to the USA is interesting, but what you are trying to get across is not entirely understood on my end. Perhaps not having ties to the USA means I don't have an implied context? Fill me in. I am curious.
      - yetihehe 9mo ago
        You said "You can't have both" on "consumers get stable and somewhat realistic prices [...] while farmers also get stable income." So, you say a country can't have stable income for farmers and realistic prices for consumers? Allowing to waste some produce and subsidizing farmers seems to be working in Europe (and probably in Canada). We have stable (but higher) prices. When you said we can't have that, I thought you are from USA, they are famous for having problems that are solved everywhere (like universal healthcare and gun violence) and it's a very known meme[0][1][2]. [0] https://x.com/BernieSanders/status/1116082388344422400 https://x.com/BernieSanders/status/1116082388344422400 [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/l55sv4/universal_healthcare_is_such_a_complex_beast/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/l55sv4... [2] https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED206/66c508dbb7088.webp https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED206/66c508dbb70...

by 9rx 9mo ago

foofoo55 9mo ago

Supply management does have its problems, but given the involvement of imperfect humans nothing will be without problems. Canadian pork, beef, and vegetable farmers that I personally know also complain that they can't enact supply management for their sector. They also envy the appearance of high profits, an easy life, and government subsidies & bailouts (yes, Canadian dairy farmers still receive those) for those in a supply managed sector. At the end of the day, consumers get stable and somewhat realistic prices and supply, while farmers also get stable income.

9rx 9mo ago
> consumers get stable and somewhat realistic prices [...] while farmers also get stable income. Which? You can't have both. Input costs are subject to the whims of non-supply managed markets. When, say, input costs rise either the farmer has to absorb that cost (unstable income), or the cost has to be passed on to the customer (unstable consumer price). > and supply Oh? https://www.ctvnews.ca/atlantic/article/some-maritime-grocery-stores-facing-lactose-free-milk-shortage/ https://www.ctvnews.ca/atlantic/article/some-maritime-grocer..., https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/canada/after-the-u-s-is-canada-also-facing-a-shortage-why-is-the-country-importing-eggs-from-ukraine-these-could-be-the-reasons/articleshow/120097235.cms https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/cana..., https://farmersforum.com/cracks-in-supply-management/ https://farmersforum.com/cracks-in-supply-management/
- yetihehe 9mo ago
  > > consumers get stable and somewhat realistic prices [...] while farmers also get stable income. > Which? You can't have both Maybe not in USA. Looks like another problem that only one developed country says is impossible to solve.
  - mlrtime 9mo ago
    But it is solved here, its whats happening. Food prices are mostly stable (relatively speaking)
  - 9rx 9mo ago
    > Maybe not in USA. Maybe not. I grew up on a Canadian dairy farm, and have continued to farm in Canada ever since, so that is beyond my expertise. I have not participated in US-based farming. I can only meaningfully speak to Canadian agriculture. A connection to the USA is interesting, but what you are trying to get across is not entirely understood on my end. Perhaps not having ties to the USA means I don't have an implied context? Fill me in. I am curious.
    - yetihehe 9mo ago
      You said "You can't have both" on "consumers get stable and somewhat realistic prices [...] while farmers also get stable income." So, you say a country can't have stable income for farmers and realistic prices for consumers? Allowing to waste some produce and subsidizing farmers seems to be working in Europe (and probably in Canada). We have stable (but higher) prices. When you said we can't have that, I thought you are from USA, they are famous for having problems that are solved everywhere (like universal healthcare and gun violence) and it's a very known meme[0][1][2]. [0] https://x.com/BernieSanders/status/1116082388344422400 https://x.com/BernieSanders/status/1116082388344422400 [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/l55sv4/universal_healthcare_is_such_a_complex_beast/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/l55sv4... [2] https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED206/66c508dbb7088.webp https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED206/66c508dbb70...