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Quite surprised there wasn't mention of the Trump tariffs on China causing the collapse of China imports of US soybeans, which by the way, has persisted even th

Quite surprised there wasn't mention of the Trump tariffs on China causing the collapse of China imports of US soybeans, which by the way, has persisted even though the original tariffs were reduced, causing lasting damage to farmers. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenroberts/2026/01/17/china-purchased-no-us-soybeans-an-unprecented-sixth-straight-month/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenroberts/2026/01/17/china-pur...

lateforwork 9mo ago
Almost 78% of farmers voted for Trump [1]. These are the guys that got Trump elected. Polls show that support for President Trump among farmers remains high, hovering around 50-60%. That means these are the guys that are keeping Trump in power. When support among farmers drops to 20% level GOP legislators will feel emboldened to remove Trump from power. [1] https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210000721.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjedvwed1xgo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjedvwed1xgo
- insane_dreamer 9mo ago
  It's just shocking to me how certain demographics are so eager to vote against their own interests. I mean, name one thing that Trump has done to help farmers more than he hurt them with the tariffs? (Subsidies they already had, regardless of the party in power.) What are they getting in return for their vote? The safety of knowing that trans athletes are banned and some Guatemalans in far away "liberal" cities have been "gotten rid of"? None of those benefit them in any way. I still can't quite understand.
  - lateforwork 9mo ago
    GOP has long pursued a strategy of getting rural whites to vote against their self interest. This is why they play up cultural issues such as trans people using women's bathrooms and such other topics that uneducated people can readily grasp.
    - insane_dreamer 9mo ago
      I suppose they've successfully instilled the fear that "our way of life" will be destroyed if they don't vote for Trump, despite 1) being a lie, and 2) a vote that will make things worse for them. It's amazing how powerful these relatively minor cultural issues can be. It certainly makes for interesting case studies for future political science and sociology university (if the humanities survive).
      - xienze 9mo ago
        > instilled the fear that "our way of life" will be destroyed if they don't vote for Trump, despite 1) being a lie You may find this hard to believe, but there are a lot of people old enough to see how rapidly "our way of life" has gone down the toilet. It's not a myth, it's happening.
        lateforwork 9mo ago
        Are you talking about manufacturing jobs going away, or something else?
        insane_dreamer 9mo ago
        in what ways has "our way of life" "gone down the toilet"? yes, the world as a whole has changed, and society with it, but I'm nearly 60 and don't see a "way of life" being "destroyed"
    - Spooky23 9mo ago
      It’s easy to say that. I grew up in a dairy county in upstate ny. Solid democrats. The board room of the local farm bureau had photos of FDR on the wall. The party really abandoned rural voters and farmers. Money in politics didn’t just affect Republicans — the democrats abandoned the traditional party structures and followed the money. There’s no more democratic picnics, etc. I’m not defending the GOP. They’ve embraced evil imo. But people followed their message because nobody else is talking to them.
      - 9mo ago
  - seattle_spring 9mo ago
    > It's just shocking to me how certain demographics are so eager to vote against their own interests. Something that's been made very clear over the last few election cycles is that a lot of voters will go against their own interests, as long as it hurts their perceived "enemy" more than themselves.
    - lateforwork 9mo ago
      Right. This article discusses how race plays a central role in the opposition to universal health care policies like Obamacare, particularly focusing on how some of the resistance in the South is due to white populations not wanting Black Americans to receive free care: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/universal-health-care-racism.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/univ...
      - mlrtime 9mo ago
        I live in a a rural farm land area, the only time I hear racist remarks of any kind is online, usually towards white cis men. Just an anecdote, but IMO progressive liberals are some of the most racist people I've encountered. I have family members who didn't like Obama at all, not one of them would ever comment on color, it was his policies.
        malshe 9mo ago
        As a brown American who has to carry passport the moment I step outside my house and hope that ICE goons give me the opportunity to show it if detained, I am all ears to hear about your experiences with racism toward white cis males.
        mlrtime 9mo ago
        First, I'm sorry you have to do that, it's not right. You blame your skin color for other problems, conflation.
  - bigstrat2003 9mo ago
    > It's just shocking to me how certain demographics are so eager to vote against their own interests. Nobody votes against their own interests. That is something that only stupid caricatures do, not actual people. If it seems that way to you, that should be a very strong signal to reevaluate your understanding of the situation. Most likely, that means either nobody is representing their interests or you have misunderstood what their interests are.
    - lateforwork 9mo ago
      That's like saying nobody ever gets swindled. If you think someone got swindled that should be a strong signal to reevaluate your understanding of how they wanted to spend their money.
    - mlrtime 9mo ago
      You are wasting your time I think. The people here know who the right people to vote for are, anyone who thinks otherwise is voting against their interests. There is only one comment above that says that both rural and urban people do the same thing, it is all boiling down to everyone should be voting one party.
b112 9mo ago
I don't really like Trump, but to be fair here, China does things like this all the time. They did the same thing in Canada, because we didn't want their spy-cars in our country. We'd really be better off if we had zero trade with them. They're poison.

lateforwork 9mo ago

Almost 78% of farmers voted for Trump [1]. These are the guys that got Trump elected. Polls show that support for President Trump among farmers remains high, hovering around 50-60%. That means these are the guys that are keeping Trump in power. When support among farmers drops to 20% level GOP legislators will feel emboldened to remove Trump from power. [1] https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210000721.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjedvwed1xgo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjedvwed1xgo

insane_dreamer 9mo ago
It's just shocking to me how certain demographics are so eager to vote against their own interests. I mean, name one thing that Trump has done to help farmers more than he hurt them with the tariffs? (Subsidies they already had, regardless of the party in power.) What are they getting in return for their vote? The safety of knowing that trans athletes are banned and some Guatemalans in far away "liberal" cities have been "gotten rid of"? None of those benefit them in any way. I still can't quite understand.
- lateforwork 9mo ago
  GOP has long pursued a strategy of getting rural whites to vote against their self interest. This is why they play up cultural issues such as trans people using women's bathrooms and such other topics that uneducated people can readily grasp.
  - insane_dreamer 9mo ago
    I suppose they've successfully instilled the fear that "our way of life" will be destroyed if they don't vote for Trump, despite 1) being a lie, and 2) a vote that will make things worse for them. It's amazing how powerful these relatively minor cultural issues can be. It certainly makes for interesting case studies for future political science and sociology university (if the humanities survive).
    - xienze 9mo ago
      > instilled the fear that "our way of life" will be destroyed if they don't vote for Trump, despite 1) being a lie You may find this hard to believe, but there are a lot of people old enough to see how rapidly "our way of life" has gone down the toilet. It's not a myth, it's happening.
      - lateforwork 9mo ago
        Are you talking about manufacturing jobs going away, or something else?
      - insane_dreamer 9mo ago
        in what ways has "our way of life" "gone down the toilet"? yes, the world as a whole has changed, and society with it, but I'm nearly 60 and don't see a "way of life" being "destroyed"
  - Spooky23 9mo ago
    It’s easy to say that. I grew up in a dairy county in upstate ny. Solid democrats. The board room of the local farm bureau had photos of FDR on the wall. The party really abandoned rural voters and farmers. Money in politics didn’t just affect Republicans — the democrats abandoned the traditional party structures and followed the money. There’s no more democratic picnics, etc. I’m not defending the GOP. They’ve embraced evil imo. But people followed their message because nobody else is talking to them.
    - 9mo ago
- seattle_spring 9mo ago
  > It's just shocking to me how certain demographics are so eager to vote against their own interests. Something that's been made very clear over the last few election cycles is that a lot of voters will go against their own interests, as long as it hurts their perceived "enemy" more than themselves.
  - lateforwork 9mo ago
    Right. This article discusses how race plays a central role in the opposition to universal health care policies like Obamacare, particularly focusing on how some of the resistance in the South is due to white populations not wanting Black Americans to receive free care: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/universal-health-care-racism.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/univ...
    - mlrtime 9mo ago
      I live in a a rural farm land area, the only time I hear racist remarks of any kind is online, usually towards white cis men. Just an anecdote, but IMO progressive liberals are some of the most racist people I've encountered. I have family members who didn't like Obama at all, not one of them would ever comment on color, it was his policies.
      - malshe 9mo ago
        As a brown American who has to carry passport the moment I step outside my house and hope that ICE goons give me the opportunity to show it if detained, I am all ears to hear about your experiences with racism toward white cis males.
        mlrtime 9mo ago
        First, I'm sorry you have to do that, it's not right. You blame your skin color for other problems, conflation.
- bigstrat2003 9mo ago
  > It's just shocking to me how certain demographics are so eager to vote against their own interests. Nobody votes against their own interests. That is something that only stupid caricatures do, not actual people. If it seems that way to you, that should be a very strong signal to reevaluate your understanding of the situation. Most likely, that means either nobody is representing their interests or you have misunderstood what their interests are.
  - lateforwork 9mo ago
    That's like saying nobody ever gets swindled. If you think someone got swindled that should be a strong signal to reevaluate your understanding of how they wanted to spend their money.
  - mlrtime 9mo ago
    You are wasting your time I think. The people here know who the right people to vote for are, anyone who thinks otherwise is voting against their interests. There is only one comment above that says that both rural and urban people do the same thing, it is all boiling down to everyone should be voting one party.

b112 9mo ago

I don't really like Trump, but to be fair here, China does things like this all the time. They did the same thing in Canada, because we didn't want their spy-cars in our country. We'd really be better off if we had zero trade with them. They're poison.