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I often like to point out that the growth can trick us into over-estimating the attrition/ageism of the industry. Sure, you barely meet any 40-year veterans...

by Terr_ 10mo ago

I often like to point out that the growth can trick us into over-estimating the attrition/ageism of the industry. Sure, you barely meet any 40-year veterans... but that's partly because 40 years ago there were barely any 0-year newbies to start with.

drivebyhooting 10mo ago
In theory it can. However in practice ageism in hiring is 100% observable. It’s basically the revealed preference of hiring managers. The seldom spoken reality is this: managers like them young and hungry with no external obligations; thus they’re maximally extractible.
- Terr_ 10mo ago
  > > can trick us into over-estimating > [it's] observable Nobody said it wasn't, I was quite deliberate in my wording.
  - drivebyhooting 10mo ago
    I’m not sure what point you were trying to make then. At face value your post implies ageism is not a problem. Change the target demographic to a different “minority” - racial, ethnic, diverse - and observe the heavy connotation carried by downplaying severity.
    - attila-lendvai 10mo ago
      age strongly influences a lot of variables that are important to an employer. race doesn't. they are not in the same category.
      - drivebyhooting 10mo ago
        That’s very funny. Of course it does, so of course there is ageism. That is ceteris paribus, you would prefer to hire a young gun over an old person. The same logic could be applied to other protected categories.
        attila-lendvai 10mo ago
        parse error.
    - Terr_ 10mo ago
      "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." I think you lost track of the thread. You're acting as if the subject was already ageism, and I'm somehow arriving to downplay it. No, the subject was historical industry growth, and you can't just slam those two ideas together, you need some other idea in the chain to bridge them--like how growth skews our perceptions. Heck, if you care so much about ageism awareness, you should be thanking me for introducing it. ___________ Here's how the conversation would have gone if I'd done what you wanted: 1. robotresearcher: "Job openings have increased dramatically over time." 2. Nega-Terr_: "Guys, ageism exists! I won't say anything else, that'd just detract from its importance." 3. Someone: "Uhhhh, WTF? Where'd that come from? If anything, a constantly growing industry would make it easier for seniors to continue finding new jobs, a shrinking one is really where they'd be in trouble. What's wrong with you? Stop talking nonsense."
dapperdrake 10mo ago
StackOverflow had a different take: There was exponential growth in newcomers and with different languages and hardware becoming available. Each wave drowned out all of the previous field combined. Like colloquial "Moore's law".

by Terr_ 10mo ago

drivebyhooting 10mo ago

In theory it can. However in practice ageism in hiring is 100% observable. It’s basically the revealed preference of hiring managers. The seldom spoken reality is this: managers like them young and hungry with no external obligations; thus they’re maximally extractible.

Terr_ 10mo ago
> > can trick us into over-estimating > [it's] observable Nobody said it wasn't, I was quite deliberate in my wording.
- drivebyhooting 10mo ago
  I’m not sure what point you were trying to make then. At face value your post implies ageism is not a problem. Change the target demographic to a different “minority” - racial, ethnic, diverse - and observe the heavy connotation carried by downplaying severity.
  - attila-lendvai 10mo ago
    age strongly influences a lot of variables that are important to an employer. race doesn't. they are not in the same category.
    - drivebyhooting 10mo ago
      That’s very funny. Of course it does, so of course there is ageism. That is ceteris paribus, you would prefer to hire a young gun over an old person. The same logic could be applied to other protected categories.
      - attila-lendvai 10mo ago
        parse error.
  - Terr_ 10mo ago
    "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." I think you lost track of the thread. You're acting as if the subject was already ageism, and I'm somehow arriving to downplay it. No, the subject was historical industry growth, and you can't just slam those two ideas together, you need some other idea in the chain to bridge them--like how growth skews our perceptions. Heck, if you care so much about ageism awareness, you should be thanking me for introducing it. ___________ Here's how the conversation would have gone if I'd done what you wanted: 1. robotresearcher: "Job openings have increased dramatically over time." 2. Nega-Terr_: "Guys, ageism exists! I won't say anything else, that'd just detract from its importance." 3. Someone: "Uhhhh, WTF? Where'd that come from? If anything, a constantly growing industry would make it easier for seniors to continue finding new jobs, a shrinking one is really where they'd be in trouble. What's wrong with you? Stop talking nonsense."

dapperdrake 10mo ago

StackOverflow had a different take: There was exponential growth in newcomers and with different languages and hardware becoming available. Each wave drowned out all of the previous field combined. Like colloquial "Moore's law".