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I think JPEG XL's naming was unfortunate. People want to associate new image formats with leanness, lightness, efficiency.
by unglaublich 9mo ago
I think JPEG XL's naming was unfortunate. People want to associate new image formats with leanness, lightness, efficiency.
- Almondsetat 9mo agoDo you have anything to back this up?
- snowram 9mo agoConsidering "jpeg" has become the shorthand for "digital picture", it would be a shame not to capitalise on it.
- flexagoon 9mo agoI feel like "jpeg" has generally become a shorthand for "low quality compressed digital picture"
- dgan 9mo ago"diJital PEGchure"
- dlcarrier 9mo agoIs it pronounced jay-peg or gee-peg?
- deleted 9mo ago[deleted]
- goda90 9mo agoHence the meme response "Needs more jpeg" https://old.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2ct3ax/eli5_what_does_the_phrase_needs_more_jpeg_mean/ https://old.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2ct3ax/e...
- dylan604 9mo agoI feel like you need to find better places on the internet. It's no longer 1997 downloading from dial up.
- notatoad 9mo agoWhat makes jpeg compression bad isn’t low bandwidth. It’s really good at compressing an image for that. What makes jpeg bad is that the compression artifacts multiply when a jpeg gets screen captured and then re-encoded as a jpeg, or automatically resized and recompressed by a social media platform. And that definitely isn’t a problem that has gone away since dialup, people do that more than ever.
- flexagoon 9mo agoI'm not saying it's true, I obviously understand that not all jpegs are low quality and over compressed. That's just how the word is generally used by people, especially those outside of tech who aren't well versed in different image formats.
- bigbuppo 9mo agoNah, that's WEBP, the most hated file format.
- benbristow 9mo agoIn the photography world it's shorthand for "photo unedited straight from the camera". Popular with Fujifilm cameras especially due to their 'film simulation' modes which apply basically a filter to the image.
- doubletwoyou 9mo agoNot really? Unedited would be some sort of raw. JPEG usually implies preprocessed by the camera
- benbristow 9mo agoI guess I meant unedited by the photographer manually (e.g. using Lightroom etc.) Either that or a photo that has been edited from a RAW and is a final version to be posted online.
- zamadatix 9mo agoJPEG XS :D
- YakBizzarro 9mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XS
- recursive 9mo agoExcess?!? I certainly don't want any of that in my image encoding formats!
- jonsneyers 9mo agoExactly. Image compression should excel at avoiding excess. Though maybe some people think the JPEG committee is now creating spreadsheet formats...
- bobmcnamara 9mo agoI found it unfortunate because it's not a JPEG.
- Dwedit 9mo agoIt has an operation mode where it can losslessly and reversibly compress a JPEG further, and "not a jpeg" wouldn't cover that.
- dragonwriter 9mo agoJPEG XL is the thing that makes your JPEG smaller?
- Dwedit 9mo agoJPEG XL is basically 4 codecs in one... * A new lossy image Codec * A lossless image codec (lossless modular mode) * An alternative lossy image codec with different kinds of compression artifacts than those typically seen in JPEG (lossy modular mode) * JPEG packer Because it includes a JPEG packer, you can use it as such.
- catskull 9mo agoμJPEG
- HlessClaudesman 9mo agoCrappy as a .jpg, only bigger. Actually, I remember when JPEG XL came out, and I just thought: cool, file that one away for when I have a really big image I need to display. Which turned out to be never. Names have consequences.
- crazygringo 9mo ago> Crappy as a .jpg, only bigger. Honestly, that's exactly what it sounds like to me too. I know it's not, but it's still what it sounds like. And it's just way too many letters total. When we have "giff" and "ping" as one-syllable names, "jay-peg-ex-ell" is unfortunate. Really should have been an entirely new name, rather than extending what is already an ugly acronym.
- sillysaurusx 9mo agoI’ll never not say pee-en-gee. You’re right though.
- NekkoDroid 9mo agoI always have called it PNG pee-en-ji, and JPEG XL for me has p much all the time been jay-x-el.
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- gcr 9mo agoI regularly work with images larger than 65,535px per side. WEBP can only do 16,383px per side and the AVIF spec can technically do 65,535, but encoders tap out far before then. Even TIFF uses 32-bit file offsets so can't go above 4GB without custom extensions. Guess which format, true to its name, happens to support 1,073,741,823px per side? :-)
- fleabitdev 9mo agoThere was a constraint - since 2009, the Joint Photographic Experts Group had published JPEG XR, JPEG XT and JPEG XS, and they were probably reluctant to break that naming scheme. They're running out of good options, but I hope they stick with it long enough to release "JPEG XP" :-)
- nocman 9mo agoGood one - made me and a coworker both LOL (in the literal sense) :D
- spider-mario 9mo agoIncidentally, JPEG Vista would be thematically appropriate.
- jonsneyers 9mo agoJPEG XP would have been a nice name for a successor of JPEG 2000, I suppose :) There's also a JPEG XE now (https://jpeg.org/jpegxe/index.html https://jpeg.org/jpegxe/index.html), by the way.
- lencastre 9mo agoJPEG ME
- extraduder_ire 9mo agoThey can tack on more letters, or increment the X, as required.
- formerly_proven 9mo agoNobody can keep you from forking the spec and calling yours JPEG SM.
- kps 9mo agoShouldn't that be JPEG℠ vs JPEG™?
- 12_throw_away 9mo ago> Nobody can keep you from forking the spec ISO: "Challenge accepted." [1] [1] https://www.iso.org/standard/85066.html https://www.iso.org/standard/85066.html
- edflsafoiewq 9mo agoJust call it JXL.
- ziml77 9mo agoPronounced jixel?
- spider-mario 9mo agoPronounced like French « j’excelle » (I excel). (Kidding.)
- ziml77 9mo agoKidding? But I actually kinda like it!
- greenavocado 9mo agoYes, and JAY EXCEL for the savages like me
- F3nd0 9mo agoIt seems to me this point of discussion always tends to get way too much focus. Should it really raise concern? Of all the people who interact with image formats in some way, how many do even know what an image format is? How many even notice they’ve got different names? How many even give them any consideration? And out of those, how many are immediately going to think JPEG XL must be big, heavy and inefficient? And out of those, how many are going to stop there without considering that maybe the new image format could actually be pretty good? Sure, there might be some, but I really don’t think it’s a fraction of a significant size. Moreover, how many people in said fraction are going to remember the name (and thus perhaps the format) far more easily by remembering it’s got such a stupid name?
- DominoTree 9mo agoJPEG 15 Pro Max
- bigbuppo 9mo agoAnd yet WEBP decided to associate itself with urine, which google then forced on everyone using their monopoly power.
- bigbuppo 9mo agoIt's JPEG Extra Lovely.