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We ran high-level US civil war simulations. Minnesota is how they start

30 points by Teever 9mo ago

bwestergard 9mo ago
In 20th century civil wars (e.g. the Spanish Civil war), telegraph and phone exchanges were strategically important targets. In a hypothetical U.S. civil war, one wonders how successful the belligerents would be in seizing, controlling, or destroying means of communication (data centers, undersea cable termination points, cell towers, microwave towers). Tech workers, like all workers, would have to make difficult decisions about their allegiances. Let's hope this can be avoided.
Bender 9mo ago
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- greenie_beans 9mo ago
  > finding who is funding the paid rioters prolly the FBI
  - Bender 9mo ago
    It could be anyone in the current admin as they stand to benefit by invoking the insurrection act as has been done many times before be previous presidents. They could then press the "That was easy" button.
- danorama 9mo ago
  Oooh! I know this one! Just follow the money. All the way back to the Department of Homeland Security. You’ll find the paymasters and your answers there.
- eithed 9mo ago
  As an outsider I have a question - do you actually feel that protest after ICE killing an american citizen would be driven by somebody paying for it, instead of being a civic movement?
  - Bender 9mo ago
    do you actually feel that protest after ICE killing an american citizen is driven by somebody paying foe it? In my opinion there is almost always money involved. People need incentives to put their lives and their families lives at risk when they would otherwise not be involved living multiple states away and would otherwise not be impacted such as by ICE in this case. There will be exceptions but I suspect those are a minority that may involve mental health, loneliness, attention seeking, virtue-signalling, roped in by emotion triggering videos, etc... I suspect one motivation would be to radicalize people when their paid rioters are told to do things that could risk an agent using bad judgement and someone gets hurt.
    - BizarroLand 9mo ago
      It could also be a "happy accident". Statistically, if you put enough stupid people into enough spaces with hateful rhetoric being taught consistently, make them immune to consequences, and reward them when they do things that push towards the civil war you want to have, then eventually either you will completely oppress your country or you will have a civil war.
      - Bender 9mo ago
        Statistically, if you put enough stupid people into enough spaces with hateful rhetoric being taught consistently, make them immune to consequences, and reward them when they do things that push towards the civil war you want to have, then eventually either you will completely oppress your country or you will have a civil war. I could not have said it better myself. I still think it would not become a national level civil war but Minnesota could get messy. Plenty of other states would never let things escalate to this level. All of this could have been avoided by having local law enforcement or worst case the national guard get things under control. Minnesota have conflicting incentives delegate counts driving their bad judgement in addition to their governor being in the hot seat at the moment requiring a distraction. Or from a movie some of us have seen, someone will do something stupid [1]. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnvTo8sLFJo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnvTo8sLFJo
- deeg 9mo ago
  Do you have any evidence that there paid rioters in MN?
  - Bender 9mo ago
    I do but I would never post them in a place that support rioters and violence. Those that are leading the violence would have the videos flagged and taken down. I want the world to see the crazy that is unfolding. They are currently being discussed by influencers that have millions of subs.
tim-tday 9mo ago
I was curious if they meant literally Minnesota or what’s happening there is similar to our simulations. It’s the latter. “While the location and sequence differ, the core danger we identified is now emerging“
NedF 9mo ago
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30 points by Teever 9mo ago

In 20th century civil wars (e.g. the Spanish Civil war), telegraph and phone exchanges were strategically important targets. In a hypothetical U.S. civil war, one wonders how successful the belligerents would be in seizing, controlling, or destroying means of communication (data centers, undersea cable termination points, cell towers, microwave towers). Tech workers, like all workers, would have to make difficult decisions about their allegiances. Let's hope this can be avoided.

Bender 9mo ago

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greenie_beans 9mo ago
> finding who is funding the paid rioters prolly the FBI
- Bender 9mo ago
  It could be anyone in the current admin as they stand to benefit by invoking the insurrection act as has been done many times before be previous presidents. They could then press the "That was easy" button.
danorama 9mo ago
Oooh! I know this one! Just follow the money. All the way back to the Department of Homeland Security. You’ll find the paymasters and your answers there.
eithed 9mo ago
As an outsider I have a question - do you actually feel that protest after ICE killing an american citizen would be driven by somebody paying for it, instead of being a civic movement?
- Bender 9mo ago
  do you actually feel that protest after ICE killing an american citizen is driven by somebody paying foe it? In my opinion there is almost always money involved. People need incentives to put their lives and their families lives at risk when they would otherwise not be involved living multiple states away and would otherwise not be impacted such as by ICE in this case. There will be exceptions but I suspect those are a minority that may involve mental health, loneliness, attention seeking, virtue-signalling, roped in by emotion triggering videos, etc... I suspect one motivation would be to radicalize people when their paid rioters are told to do things that could risk an agent using bad judgement and someone gets hurt.
  - BizarroLand 9mo ago
    It could also be a "happy accident". Statistically, if you put enough stupid people into enough spaces with hateful rhetoric being taught consistently, make them immune to consequences, and reward them when they do things that push towards the civil war you want to have, then eventually either you will completely oppress your country or you will have a civil war.
    - Bender 9mo ago
      Statistically, if you put enough stupid people into enough spaces with hateful rhetoric being taught consistently, make them immune to consequences, and reward them when they do things that push towards the civil war you want to have, then eventually either you will completely oppress your country or you will have a civil war. I could not have said it better myself. I still think it would not become a national level civil war but Minnesota could get messy. Plenty of other states would never let things escalate to this level. All of this could have been avoided by having local law enforcement or worst case the national guard get things under control. Minnesota have conflicting incentives delegate counts driving their bad judgement in addition to their governor being in the hot seat at the moment requiring a distraction. Or from a movie some of us have seen, someone will do something stupid [1]. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnvTo8sLFJo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnvTo8sLFJo
deeg 9mo ago
Do you have any evidence that there paid rioters in MN?
- Bender 9mo ago
  I do but I would never post them in a place that support rioters and violence. Those that are leading the violence would have the videos flagged and taken down. I want the world to see the crazy that is unfolding. They are currently being discussed by influencers that have millions of subs.

tim-tday 9mo ago

I was curious if they meant literally Minnesota or what’s happening there is similar to our simulations. It’s the latter. “While the location and sequence differ, the core danger we identified is now emerging“

NedF 9mo ago

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