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What is strange is that this happens in several countries at the same time. I never found out why this is the case, because there can be many explanations. In
by shevy-java 9mo ago
What is strange is that this happens in several countries at the same time.
I never found out why this is the case, because there can be many explanations. In general the global tendency is that the more and more digital data is there, the more and more states want to surveil people and invade onto their privacy. This is functional erosion of rights. I don't know of many states that counter that trend.
- DetectDefect 9mo agoWhy is that strange? Technology's proliferation decentralizes political power nexuses, making it a near-existential threat to tyrants^Wgovernments everywhere.
- pixl97 9mo agoconversely >Technology's proliferation centralizes political power nexuses
- DetectDefect 9mo agoClosed-source propriety systems certainly have this effect (subjugation), but this is not the Free technology I am talking about.
- pixl97 9mo agoData and code are not the same thing. "Free technology" is just as free to enslave you as closed technology is.
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- freedomben 9mo ago> Data and code are not the same thing. feels a stir in the sea. The Lisp and Haskell people died a little inside
- cjs_ac 9mo agoEvery Western government is receiving the same briefings from its intelligence and counterintelligence agencies: these powers are needed in case the third world war starts.
- danielbln 9mo agoThey've been pushing for this stuff for ever, at least 20 years ago.
- cjs_ac 9mo agoDifferent countries have made on-and-off efforts over the decades, but I'm explaining why they're all doing it right now.
- thatguy0900 9mo agoIntelligence agencies have seen the writing on the wall with allowing hostile countries unfettered access to their own citizens minds on social media for a while, I would imagine
- LtWorf 9mo agoYou actually mean you want to abolish freedom of speech. Sure. But then we lose the moral high ground of going to wars because we have democracy.
- thatguy0900 9mo agoI don't want to do anything. I think it's a problem with no moral solution. When Elon turned on location data in Twitter and everyone saw all the homegrown American Maga influencer accounts were foreign it should have opened eyes but Noone really cared. You have a choice between closing the internet or letting them brain rot your populace in the open. It's not a theoretical power, nato and the US European led world order is on the cliff of dissolving and none of our adverseries had to fire a single shot at us.
- pixl97 9mo agoI mean, because the world is connected via a large global network with instant communication. It's kind of like asking "Why did the world kind of destabilize politically during the 1910s". Massive technological change swept the world and fast travel changed the dynamics of the world. Our world has changed from one of bulky analog data (paperwork, pictures, remote places) to one where any information can be digitized and sent anywhere in the past 2 decades. This data can be stored pretty much forever. This is as much of a change as what occurred in WWI and WWII. The political dynamics of the world are completely different in the data regime. He who controls the data controls the world. This is a very difficult trend to counter, just because you decide not to control said data, doesn't mean that others aren't capturing that same data and using it against you, in which they'll take power. There is a distinct possibility that rights and ever growing capabilities of technology are fundamentally incompatible. This is going to present a growing problem for human societies.
- Ylpertnodi 9mo ago> . In general the global tendency is that the more and more digital data is there, the more and more states want to surveil people and invade onto their privacy. You found out why.
- jonathanstrange 9mo agoI believe the main reason is the current "situation" with the US. European agencies and law enforcement have relied heavily on NSA signal intelligence via low-level intelligence exchange and it has become more and more clear that this is a dangerous dependence. In a sense, the turn towards codifying and legalizing surveillance had already started with the Snowden revelations because at that time many people realized that the usual practices were basically illegal and wanted more legal certainty. At the same time, companies like Apple have increased device security a lot over the past decade. That's my take on it. I'd love to hear other explanations. It's indeed curious why so many EU countries are pushing for increased surveillance so heavily.
- miroljub 9mo ago> What is strange is that this happens in several countries at the same time. Probably a coincidence that it all happens just before the World Economic Forum summit in Davos. It could be they sent the new agenda a bit earlier to allow governments to prepare themselves.
- alephnerd 9mo agoPeople really overestimate the WEF's influence. It's basically a fairly boring corporate conference that consists of side means and some side parties. There might be some shenanigans happening, but that happens at "nerdy" GDC as well. Years ago, we had to "invite" Register, DarkReading, SDxCentral, etc "reporters" to free booze sessions during RSA to keep them happy in the era before Nikesh Arora called out conferences like RSA for their bullshit and their ecosystem of PR leaches like The Register (notice how they've reduced their snark about HPE becuase they have a partner content relationship now). Finally, most police forces and interior ministries have had access to offensive security tools (often called "spyware") for over a decade now.
- direwolf20 9mo ago[dead]
- throwaway85825 9mo agoIn a network diagram the WEF is a hyperconnected node.
- alephnerd 9mo agoDafuq? Within Davos you have additonal segmentation based on badge and sponsor type - not all Davos attendees are equals.
- throwaway85825 9mo agoThe whole point of davos is networking. It's not just principals there but also their staff.
- rodolphoarruda 9mo agoSounds more like a lobby thing. Once a government finds a new "recipe" to be worked out with global vendors, meaning, a new way to allocate budget with a strong social justification (e.g. protect children, fight terrorism etc.), governments from other nations jump into the matter and literally copy/paste it locally. In short, whoever comes up with a creative idea to allocate public budget will serve as the basis for others to copy.
- anigbrowl 9mo agoIt's not strange. They can read technology news like anyone else, and vendors of security tools do sales campaigns like any other industry. Media says 'cybercriminals are getting away with it using this one weird trick,' people grumble about the police being useless, police say they can't stop the cybercriminals without spyware, media runs story about sympathetic pensioners losing everything to scammers because police are letting them run free, voters demand politicians do something etc etc. etc. Also, y'all need to recognize that unbreakable personal security/ privacy/ paranoia is just not the default social position in most societies. There isn't a big conspiracy, it's a reflection of social mores we disagree with, either ideologically or through recognition that policing is often ineffective and corrupt.