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And you'd probably be much happier sorting corks 16 hours a day, 365 days a year.

by gnosis 14y ago

jlgreco 14y ago
Do you honestly believe you are making a rational point here? There are plenty of reasons to replace workers with robots, but "making those workers happier" is not one of them... "Hey Martha, we've noticed that you don't seem to find your job to be very enjoyable. Well good news, we've fired you!" ....
- gnosis 14y ago
  How about instead, "Martha, you no longer have to work at a mind-numbingly boring (and probably unhealthy if not demeaning) job -- we've got robots for that. Instead, we're training you to do more interesting and more fulfilling work. While we're at it, we're also giving you a voice in the decision making process and part ownership of the company. You, along with your fellow workers can now decide how to run the company for your own benefit and that of society at large."
  - jlgreco 14y ago
    You are living in a fantasy world.
    - gnosis 14y ago
      Not very long ago, it used to be inconceivable in America that blacks and whites would one day sit together at the same restaurant, drink from the same water fountain, use the same bathrooms, compete for the same jobs, go to the same schools, and even intermarry. Segragation was just a reality and anyone who suggested that there could be a better way was "living in a fantasy world." Much the same was said about those who advocated for the downfall of Apartheid in South Africa. Most foreign policy experts were blindsighted by the swift and mostly bloodless downfall of the Soviet Union in the early 90s. I could go on giving example after example from history, where what was once the status quo (and was even seen as the natural order of things) was radically changed in a relatively brief period to a state hardly imagined as possible by people living just decades earlier. Not only are such events plentiful in history, the rate at which such events are happening seems to be only increasing. The only thing certain about the future is that it's full of surprises. And the world is what we make it.
      - jlgreco 14y ago
        This is idiotic; you either trolling or blinded by privilege; I am out.
tadfisher 14y ago
Your argument: "Because I wouldn't like that job, nobody would like that job."
- gnosis 14y ago
  And the counter argument seems to be, "Because someone could conceivably like that job, everyone doing that job must like it." Or maybe the counter argument is, "Well, they look happy in the pictures." Or is it, "They'd be even less happy without a job"? Except that no one's disputing these latter two arguments. Yes, they might be even more miserable without a job, but that doesn't mean their present job isn't depressing. And the apparent happiness in pictures cherry-picked by some PR hack for the wine industry is proof of nothing.

And you'd probably be much happier sorting corks 16 hours a day, 365 days a year.

by gnosis 14y ago

And you'd probably be much happier sorting corks 16 hours a day, 365 days a year.

Do you honestly believe you are making a rational point here? There are plenty of reasons to replace workers with robots, but "making those workers happier" is not one of them... "Hey Martha, we've noticed that you don't seem to find your job to be very enjoyable. Well good news, we've fired you!" ....

gnosis 14y ago
How about instead, "Martha, you no longer have to work at a mind-numbingly boring (and probably unhealthy if not demeaning) job -- we've got robots for that. Instead, we're training you to do more interesting and more fulfilling work. While we're at it, we're also giving you a voice in the decision making process and part ownership of the company. You, along with your fellow workers can now decide how to run the company for your own benefit and that of society at large."
- jlgreco 14y ago
  You are living in a fantasy world.
  - gnosis 14y ago
    Not very long ago, it used to be inconceivable in America that blacks and whites would one day sit together at the same restaurant, drink from the same water fountain, use the same bathrooms, compete for the same jobs, go to the same schools, and even intermarry. Segragation was just a reality and anyone who suggested that there could be a better way was "living in a fantasy world." Much the same was said about those who advocated for the downfall of Apartheid in South Africa. Most foreign policy experts were blindsighted by the swift and mostly bloodless downfall of the Soviet Union in the early 90s. I could go on giving example after example from history, where what was once the status quo (and was even seen as the natural order of things) was radically changed in a relatively brief period to a state hardly imagined as possible by people living just decades earlier. Not only are such events plentiful in history, the rate at which such events are happening seems to be only increasing. The only thing certain about the future is that it's full of surprises. And the world is what we make it.
    - jlgreco 14y ago
      This is idiotic; you either trolling or blinded by privilege; I am out.

tadfisher 14y ago

Your argument: "Because I wouldn't like that job, nobody would like that job."

gnosis 14y ago
And the counter argument seems to be, "Because someone could conceivably like that job, everyone doing that job must like it." Or maybe the counter argument is, "Well, they look happy in the pictures." Or is it, "They'd be even less happy without a job"? Except that no one's disputing these latter two arguments. Yes, they might be even more miserable without a job, but that doesn't mean their present job isn't depressing. And the apparent happiness in pictures cherry-picked by some PR hack for the wine industry is proof of nothing.