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Photography, computer graphics, Photoshop, synthesizers, samplers, and others have all been considered "not real art." The irony is that the kind of genre art

Photography, computer graphics, Photoshop, synthesizers, samplers, and others have all been considered "not real art." The irony is that the kind of genre art you see at Comic-Con is mostly reproductions of commercial properties or standard tropes and formulas, with very little original vision and creativity. Being able to draw something recognisable as [genre character name goes here], even with some skill, is not that high a bar, and it lives in a tiny niche in the art world as a whole. AI brought something fresh to art for a while, but now I think creative people are more aware of the limitations. It's in a strange mid-way place between being fascinating, and being frustratingly limited compared to what it could be. I suspect we'll start seeing meta-art soon with a much more interesting mix of creation, original thought, and execution.

MisterTea 9mo ago
> AI brought something fresh to art for a while, What fresh new ideas did it bring? Most of what I see is generic AI slop pictures tossed in articles I mostly ignore.
- onetokeoverthe 9mo ago
  Those unable to see or create the art in graphic design, photography, architecture, or writing... ...expect "tools of artifice" to help them discern between fresh and rotten. Unaware how obviously fake and bad their "assisted output" is.
- pixl97 9mo ago
  I mean, I find some channels like this fun https://www.youtube.com/@thearchiveinbetween/shorts https://www.youtube.com/@thearchiveinbetween/shorts While the pictures/videos are AI generated, there is a coherent multiverse that builds itself into a story over many videos.
  - JKCalhoun 9mo ago
    Forgot this one: https://youtu.be/QoSonXRoihc https://youtu.be/QoSonXRoihc
- JKCalhoun 9mo ago
  I write like some of the retro stuff people are doing with AI, like: https://youtu.be/yt1DVkV3muQ https://youtu.be/yt1DVkV3muQ and https://youtu.be/uRzNHSBDdgU https://youtu.be/uRzNHSBDdgU Derivative (much!) but I've been impressed with the turn the "fan films" have taken with AI, like this: https://youtu.be/eJu8rYLjNak https://youtu.be/eJu8rYLjNak
  - MisterTea 9mo ago
    Everything posted is fan fiction and far from "fresh." Not to knock it, I am sure people like this but the video is firmly in the uncanny valley and has a cheap plastic feel to it.
andyfilms1 9mo ago
A key difference is that each of the mediums you mentioned are deterministic and unbiased (to a certain degree.) The the work created can therefore be inferred to be a "pure" expression of the artists intent. A pro photographer and my mom will get wildly different results even with the same equipment. Not so with AI, which very much has it's own bias and is eager to inject it. The other question is, is AI a tool or a medium? I often hear people say "Well EDM was looked down on when it first came out," but EDM is not a tool, it's a genre. I think most artists wouldn't really care about "AI" becoming a genre of art, but it's silly to think that all future art will be AI just as it would have been silly to think EDM would have replaced all future music.
- dragonwriter 9mo ago
  > A pro photographer and my mom will get wildly different results even with the same equipment. Not so with AI, which very much has it's own bias and is eager to inject it. That particular AI models have their own bias and are eager to inject it is among the reasons why a skilled user and an unskilled user will have very different results, not a reason why that isn’t true. > The other question is, is AI a tool or a medium? Is oil paint on canvas a set of tools or a medium? In art, a tool ot set of tools often characterizes, or even defines, a medium; they are different but not orthogonal concerns. (And the cultural phenomenon of identification of a regularly-used tool or combination of tools as defining a medium generally only happens well after that tool or combination has been in significant use for a while.) AI is a broad category of tools. Particular combinations of those (either with eachother or with other tools) may also come to be be understood as particular media.
  - andyfilms1 9mo ago
    >That particular AI models have their own bias and are eager to inject it is among the reasons why a skilled user and an unskilled user will have very different results, not a reason why that isn’t true. Not quite what I mean. If you and I both take a photo of the same controlled scene with the same camera, the result will be essentially identical. If you and I both type the exact same prompt into Nano Banana, we will both get very different images. So, how is one supposed to know what parts of the AI image are intentional or incidental? If the AI image is "good," is it good because of or despite the prompter? >Is oil paint on canvas a set of tools or a medium? In art, a tool ot set of tools often characterizes, or even defines, a medium Agreed, and this is basically what I'm saying. I'm fine with siloing AI art into it's own category and I'm sure some cool work can be done there. But it's fundamentally odd to think that AI will, for some reason, replace or displace other art.
JKCalhoun 9mo ago
"…computer graphics, Photoshop, synthesizers, samplers…" Andy Warhol…

MisterTea 9mo ago

> AI brought something fresh to art for a while, What fresh new ideas did it bring? Most of what I see is generic AI slop pictures tossed in articles I mostly ignore.

onetokeoverthe 9mo ago
Those unable to see or create the art in graphic design, photography, architecture, or writing... ...expect "tools of artifice" to help them discern between fresh and rotten. Unaware how obviously fake and bad their "assisted output" is.
pixl97 9mo ago
I mean, I find some channels like this fun https://www.youtube.com/@thearchiveinbetween/shorts https://www.youtube.com/@thearchiveinbetween/shorts While the pictures/videos are AI generated, there is a coherent multiverse that builds itself into a story over many videos.
- JKCalhoun 9mo ago
  Forgot this one: https://youtu.be/QoSonXRoihc https://youtu.be/QoSonXRoihc
JKCalhoun 9mo ago
I write like some of the retro stuff people are doing with AI, like: https://youtu.be/yt1DVkV3muQ https://youtu.be/yt1DVkV3muQ and https://youtu.be/uRzNHSBDdgU https://youtu.be/uRzNHSBDdgU Derivative (much!) but I've been impressed with the turn the "fan films" have taken with AI, like this: https://youtu.be/eJu8rYLjNak https://youtu.be/eJu8rYLjNak
- MisterTea 9mo ago
  Everything posted is fan fiction and far from "fresh." Not to knock it, I am sure people like this but the video is firmly in the uncanny valley and has a cheap plastic feel to it.

andyfilms1 9mo ago

A key difference is that each of the mediums you mentioned are deterministic and unbiased (to a certain degree.) The the work created can therefore be inferred to be a "pure" expression of the artists intent. A pro photographer and my mom will get wildly different results even with the same equipment. Not so with AI, which very much has it's own bias and is eager to inject it. The other question is, is AI a tool or a medium? I often hear people say "Well EDM was looked down on when it first came out," but EDM is not a tool, it's a genre. I think most artists wouldn't really care about "AI" becoming a genre of art, but it's silly to think that all future art will be AI just as it would have been silly to think EDM would have replaced all future music.

dragonwriter 9mo ago
> A pro photographer and my mom will get wildly different results even with the same equipment. Not so with AI, which very much has it's own bias and is eager to inject it. That particular AI models have their own bias and are eager to inject it is among the reasons why a skilled user and an unskilled user will have very different results, not a reason why that isn’t true. > The other question is, is AI a tool or a medium? Is oil paint on canvas a set of tools or a medium? In art, a tool ot set of tools often characterizes, or even defines, a medium; they are different but not orthogonal concerns. (And the cultural phenomenon of identification of a regularly-used tool or combination of tools as defining a medium generally only happens well after that tool or combination has been in significant use for a while.) AI is a broad category of tools. Particular combinations of those (either with eachother or with other tools) may also come to be be understood as particular media.
- andyfilms1 9mo ago
  >That particular AI models have their own bias and are eager to inject it is among the reasons why a skilled user and an unskilled user will have very different results, not a reason why that isn’t true. Not quite what I mean. If you and I both take a photo of the same controlled scene with the same camera, the result will be essentially identical. If you and I both type the exact same prompt into Nano Banana, we will both get very different images. So, how is one supposed to know what parts of the AI image are intentional or incidental? If the AI image is "good," is it good because of or despite the prompter? >Is oil paint on canvas a set of tools or a medium? In art, a tool ot set of tools often characterizes, or even defines, a medium Agreed, and this is basically what I'm saying. I'm fine with siloing AI art into it's own category and I'm sure some cool work can be done there. But it's fundamentally odd to think that AI will, for some reason, replace or displace other art.

JKCalhoun 9mo ago

"…computer graphics, Photoshop, synthesizers, samplers…" Andy Warhol…