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Definitely FOMO. I have tried it once or twice and saw absolutely zero value in it. I will stick to writing the code by hand, even if it's "boring" parts. If I

Definitely FOMO. I have tried it once or twice and saw absolutely zero value in it. I will stick to writing the code by hand, even if it's "boring" parts. If I have to sit down and review it anyway, I can also go and write it myself. Especially considering that these 200$ subscriptions are just the start because those companies are still mostly operating at a loss. It's either going to be higher fees or Ads pushed into the responses. Last I need is my code sprinkled with Ads.

kibwen 9mo ago
Good news, if you upgrade to our $300 plan you can avoid all ads, which will instead be injected into the code that you ship to your users.
RobinL 9mo ago
> saw absolutely zero value in it At the very least, it can quickly build throwaway productivity enhancing tools. Some examples from building a small education game: - I needed to record sound clips for a game. I vibe coded a webapp in <15 mins that had a record button, keyboard shortcuts to progress though the list of clips i needed, and outputted all the audio for over 100 separate files in the folder structure and with the file names i needed, and wrote the ffmpeg script to post process the files - I needed json files for the path of each letter. gemini 3 converted images to json and then codex built me an interactive editor to tidy up the bits gemini go wrong by hand The quality of the code didn't matter because all i needed was the outputs. The final games can be found: https://www.robinlinacre.com/letter_constellations https://www.robinlinacre.com/letter_constellations https://www.robinlinacre.com/bee_letters/ https://www.robinlinacre.com/bee_letters/ code: https://github.com/robinL/ https://github.com/robinL/
brokencode 9mo ago
So using something once or twice is plenty to give it a fair shake? How long did it take to learn how to use your first IDE effectively? Or git? Or basically any other tool that is the bedrock of software engineering. AI fools people into thinking it should be really easy to get good results because the interface is so natural. And it can be for simple tasks. But for more complex tasks, you need to learn how to use it well.
- drw85 9mo ago
  It can also backfire and sometimes give you absolute made-up nonsense. Or waste your whole day moving in a circle around a problem.
- kemotep 9mo ago
  So is it strictly necessary to sign up for the 200 a month subscription? Because every time, without fail, the free ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini, Mistral, Deepseek whatever chatbots, do not write PowerShell faster than I do. They “type” faster than me, but they do not type out correct PowerShell. Fake modules, out of date module versions, fake options, fake expectations of object properties. Debugging what they output makes them a significant speed down compared to just, typing and looking up PowerShell commands manually and using the -help and get-help functions in my terminal. But again, I haven’t forked over money for the versions that cost hundreds of dollars a month. It doesn’t seem worth it, even after 3 years. Unless the paid version is 10 times smarter with significantly less hallucinations the quality doesn’t seem worth the price.
  - azuanrb 9mo ago
    Not necessary. I use Claude/Chatgpt ~$20 plan. Then you'll get access to the cli tools, Claude Code and Codex. With web interface, they might hallucinate because they can't verify it. With cli, it can test its own code and keep iterating on it. That's one of the main difference.
  - johnfn 9mo ago
    No, it's not necessary to pay 200/mo. I haven't had an issue with a hallucination in many months. They are typically a solved problem if you can use some sort of linter / static analysis tool. You tell the agent to run your tool(s) and fix all the errors. I am not familiar with PowerShell at all, but a quick GPT tells me that there is PSScriptAnalyzer, which might be good for this. That being said, it is possible that PowerShell is too far off the beaten path and LLMs aren't good at it. Try it again with something like TypeScript - you might change your mind.
  - Aurornis 9mo ago

kibwen 9mo ago

Good news, if you upgrade to our $300 plan you can avoid all ads, which will instead be injected into the code that you ship to your users.

RobinL 9mo ago

> saw absolutely zero value in it At the very least, it can quickly build throwaway productivity enhancing tools. Some examples from building a small education game: - I needed to record sound clips for a game. I vibe coded a webapp in <15 mins that had a record button, keyboard shortcuts to progress though the list of clips i needed, and outputted all the audio for over 100 separate files in the folder structure and with the file names i needed, and wrote the ffmpeg script to post process the files - I needed json files for the path of each letter. gemini 3 converted images to json and then codex built me an interactive editor to tidy up the bits gemini go wrong by hand The quality of the code didn't matter because all i needed was the outputs. The final games can be found: https://www.robinlinacre.com/letter_constellations https://www.robinlinacre.com/letter_constellations https://www.robinlinacre.com/bee_letters/ https://www.robinlinacre.com/bee_letters/ code: https://github.com/robinL/ https://github.com/robinL/

brokencode 9mo ago

So using something once or twice is plenty to give it a fair shake? How long did it take to learn how to use your first IDE effectively? Or git? Or basically any other tool that is the bedrock of software engineering. AI fools people into thinking it should be really easy to get good results because the interface is so natural. And it can be for simple tasks. But for more complex tasks, you need to learn how to use it well.

drw85 9mo ago
It can also backfire and sometimes give you absolute made-up nonsense. Or waste your whole day moving in a circle around a problem.
kemotep 9mo ago
So is it strictly necessary to sign up for the 200 a month subscription? Because every time, without fail, the free ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini, Mistral, Deepseek whatever chatbots, do not write PowerShell faster than I do. They “type” faster than me, but they do not type out correct PowerShell. Fake modules, out of date module versions, fake options, fake expectations of object properties. Debugging what they output makes them a significant speed down compared to just, typing and looking up PowerShell commands manually and using the -help and get-help functions in my terminal. But again, I haven’t forked over money for the versions that cost hundreds of dollars a month. It doesn’t seem worth it, even after 3 years. Unless the paid version is 10 times smarter with significantly less hallucinations the quality doesn’t seem worth the price.
- azuanrb 9mo ago
  Not necessary. I use Claude/Chatgpt ~$20 plan. Then you'll get access to the cli tools, Claude Code and Codex. With web interface, they might hallucinate because they can't verify it. With cli, it can test its own code and keep iterating on it. That's one of the main difference.
- johnfn 9mo ago
  No, it's not necessary to pay 200/mo. I haven't had an issue with a hallucination in many months. They are typically a solved problem if you can use some sort of linter / static analysis tool. You tell the agent to run your tool(s) and fix all the errors. I am not familiar with PowerShell at all, but a quick GPT tells me that there is PSScriptAnalyzer, which might be good for this. That being said, it is possible that PowerShell is too far off the beaten path and LLMs aren't good at it. Try it again with something like TypeScript - you might change your mind.
- Aurornis 9mo ago