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It is not just that tho. The same philosophies and ideas as Trump is acting on were propagated by large parts of conservative thinkers and influencers for years

by watwut 10mo ago

It is not just that tho. The same philosophies and ideas as Trump is acting on were propagated by large parts of conservative thinkers and influencers for years. He is less strategic, but he is logical conclusion of what republican party and especially conservatives believed in for years. Trump is logical outcome, not the cause. The hypocrisy that propped him up was not his. His morality was appealing to right wing people who have exact same morality. Trump, Musk, Heritage Foundation, Roberts, Kavanaugh, Vance, Miller, Hegseth, congress republicans, evangelical christians, everyone who celebrated Sparta in here, wall street and billionaires, all the reactionary centrists forever defending right and scolding whoever opposes it.

GiorgioG 10mo ago
They didn’t get here on their own. In 2016, Democrats ran an uncharismatic candidate in Hillary Clinton while pushing aggressively progressive ideas. Enough swing voters decided to take a chance on something different, and Trump won his first term. Without that win, we wouldn’t be where we are today.
- kilington 10mo ago
  With a two party system everything like this is inevitable. If one party sucks long enough it will get it's chance to show what suck really means to swing voters who want to see if the alternative is really as bad as people say.
- vacuity 10mo ago
  > while pushing aggressively progressive ideas The establishment Democrats are not exactly "aggressively progressive" by any reasonable standard. They shunned Bernie Sanders, who still isn't highly radical.
- ZeroGravitas 10mo ago
  Evolution is an aggressively progressive idea for some people in the US. So which specific ideas made you think "I'll vote for the rapist gameshow host?" 12 weeks of paid family leave? More solar power? Only government run prisons? Buying into Medicare at 55? Free in state tuition for families earning less than 125k? That's what Gemini lists as her most progressive positions.
  - cmxch 10mo ago
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  - palmotea 10mo ago
    > 12 weeks of paid family leave? More solar power? Only government run prisons? Buying into Medicare at 55? Free in state tuition for families earning less than 125k? > That's what Gemini lists as her most progressive positions. Actually what happened was Hilary Clinton was an unlikable and a champion of neoliberal technocracy, with maybe a bit of frosting on top and a side of entitlement. It's worth remembering that, while much of the HN crowd loves neoliberal technocracy, it's not working for a lot of folks, often in ways that the statistics-obsessed nerds are blind to. It's a damning indictment of Democrats that they've lost to Trump, twice. You'd think with all their scary warnings about fascism, they wouldn't have rested on their laurels and catered to their base as much as they have.
  - cmxch 10mo ago
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    - ToucanLoucan 10mo ago
      I’m sorry Appalachia as a region has voted into power numerous figures who’ve overseen its precipitous decline into being one of the shittiest areas in the United States. Getting mad at other people who accurately observe your region to be a national parasite is wild.
  - cmxch 10mo ago
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- kakacik 10mo ago
  And what is fucking un-comprehensible to whole world is that you knew what kind of POS he is yet you still fully voted him in second time. This ain't a single person problem anymore, he dies / is died / just finishes the office and next guy will be as bad or worse, since clearly pushing boundaries in US is the right thing to do. This is well beyond some basic excuse of 'bb-but look at the other choice', this is 'fuck them lets kick some shit out and fuck ya all' mentality when you run around in amok with chainsaw level of idiocy. Keeping things as polite as possible of course, but not more.
- watwut 10mo ago
  They 100% got there on their own. > Hillary Clinton while pushing aggressively progressive ideas This is a lie. Simple as that.
  - hairofadog 10mo ago
    Amazing to me how many of the issues that influenced swing voters in the past three presidential elections were nothing more than right-wing fever dreams.

by watwut 10mo ago

GiorgioG 10mo ago

They didn’t get here on their own. In 2016, Democrats ran an uncharismatic candidate in Hillary Clinton while pushing aggressively progressive ideas. Enough swing voters decided to take a chance on something different, and Trump won his first term. Without that win, we wouldn’t be where we are today.

kilington 10mo ago
With a two party system everything like this is inevitable. If one party sucks long enough it will get it's chance to show what suck really means to swing voters who want to see if the alternative is really as bad as people say.
vacuity 10mo ago
> while pushing aggressively progressive ideas The establishment Democrats are not exactly "aggressively progressive" by any reasonable standard. They shunned Bernie Sanders, who still isn't highly radical.
ZeroGravitas 10mo ago
Evolution is an aggressively progressive idea for some people in the US. So which specific ideas made you think "I'll vote for the rapist gameshow host?" 12 weeks of paid family leave? More solar power? Only government run prisons? Buying into Medicare at 55? Free in state tuition for families earning less than 125k? That's what Gemini lists as her most progressive positions.
- cmxch 10mo ago
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- palmotea 10mo ago
  > 12 weeks of paid family leave? More solar power? Only government run prisons? Buying into Medicare at 55? Free in state tuition for families earning less than 125k? > That's what Gemini lists as her most progressive positions. Actually what happened was Hilary Clinton was an unlikable and a champion of neoliberal technocracy, with maybe a bit of frosting on top and a side of entitlement. It's worth remembering that, while much of the HN crowd loves neoliberal technocracy, it's not working for a lot of folks, often in ways that the statistics-obsessed nerds are blind to. It's a damning indictment of Democrats that they've lost to Trump, twice. You'd think with all their scary warnings about fascism, they wouldn't have rested on their laurels and catered to their base as much as they have.
- cmxch 10mo ago
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  - ToucanLoucan 10mo ago
    I’m sorry Appalachia as a region has voted into power numerous figures who’ve overseen its precipitous decline into being one of the shittiest areas in the United States. Getting mad at other people who accurately observe your region to be a national parasite is wild.
- cmxch 10mo ago
  [flagged]
kakacik 10mo ago
And what is fucking un-comprehensible to whole world is that you knew what kind of POS he is yet you still fully voted him in second time. This ain't a single person problem anymore, he dies / is died / just finishes the office and next guy will be as bad or worse, since clearly pushing boundaries in US is the right thing to do. This is well beyond some basic excuse of 'bb-but look at the other choice', this is 'fuck them lets kick some shit out and fuck ya all' mentality when you run around in amok with chainsaw level of idiocy. Keeping things as polite as possible of course, but not more.
watwut 10mo ago
They 100% got there on their own. > Hillary Clinton while pushing aggressively progressive ideas This is a lie. Simple as that.
- hairofadog 10mo ago
  Amazing to me how many of the issues that influenced swing voters in the past three presidential elections were nothing more than right-wing fever dreams.