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You know that EU bureaucrats do what each country want them to do right? Each time the Commission comes with a new rule, most countries agree with it. And if i

You know that EU bureaucrats do what each country want them to do right? Each time the Commission comes with a new rule, most countries agree with it. And if its an "unpopular", the game for each gov is to blame the EU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromyth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromyth http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm

egorfine 9mo ago
> You know that EU bureaucrats do what each country want them to do right? I'n not entirely sure about that. The vast majority of entrepreneurs are complaining about unrealistic requirements and inconceivable burdens in Germany. Certainly no one wants any of this. Yet somehow the rules pile up.
- hvb2 9mo ago
  You said > In Germany And then > Yet somehow the rules pile up. Which is just German culture as much as food is Italian. If you want rules for everything I'm hard pressed to think of a more regulated country than Germany. And the populace, in general, might scoff at how long things take but absolutely want to understand what the process is... So yeah, you can't have it both ways
  - egorfine 9mo ago
    > hard pressed to think of a more regulated country than Germany. Unfortunately the influence of Germany over other EU countries is quite strong in terms of regulations. Absolutely no one wants more regulations, yet they slowly pile up in the whole EU. I live in Poland, where regulations are incomparably more sane than those of Germany, but even here it slowly grows.
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  - yownie 9mo ago
    >Which is just German culture as much as food is Italian. https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20250227-is-there-no-such-thing-as-italian-cuisine https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20250227-is-there-no-such...
  - seec 9mo ago
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    - martin_a 9mo ago
      This is possibly the greatest bullshit I've read today. Greetings from Germany!
      - embedding-shape 9mo ago
        Read so far* You haven't read all the 280 comments in this submission yet ;)
        martin_a 9mo ago
        Not sure it's worth the time. ;-)
      - seec 9mo ago
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      - egorfine 9mo ago
        You should bear in mind that thinking of an IT specialist or a software developer is very much uncommon among population. As developers we tend to think alike worldwide. But walk out the door and ask ten (older) German people whether they would prefer to use government email-like service instead of paper mails, and see what answer comes to the top.
    - embedding-shape 9mo ago
      > The EU was supposed to bring countries together, but I think it did quite the contrary What are some concrete examples of how Europeans countries are now further away from each other, since the start of EU and because of EU? As someone who enjoyed the ability of freely moving across the continent to find a country I'm actually comfortable living in, it's hard for me to imagine EU made countries more distant to each other, but I'm not all-seeing and would love to understand more from another perspective.
- kakacik 9mo ago
  Bureaucracy is a beast with its own life, it doesn't care what regular people want. In fact most folks' requirements go directly against objectives of this beast, since people want it as small and as weak as possible, while beast need to be fed and feels internally it needs to be strong. Anything not related to gaining or maintaining strength is antagonist.
  - bombcar 9mo ago
    And even if that's not the case, the group of "entrepreneurs" is so small compared to the voting population at large, that they won't even notice if they crush it entirely into paste.
    - egorfine 9mo ago
      Exactly this. Common folks like "tough on crime" postures of politicians and never consider nuance, which is everything. Yeah, crush them, those white-collared fraudsters.
- whynotmaybe 9mo ago
  It's the same in Belgium where it takes weeks to start a business, but as a French said to me some time ago, it's better than in France.
- p0pularopinion 9mo ago
  > Certainly no one wants any of this. Yet somehow the rules pile up. Haha. May I introduce you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Reform_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Reform_Movement German precision was not only about engineering, it has always also been about having a precisely defined bureaucratic process for everything. Also, people never explicitly say they do want more bureaucracy. More often, the bureaucracy is more often a result of what people don't want to. They may want more roads, but they don't want them near *their* home, thus they fight for something to prevent construction there. They may want this subsidy, but they most certainly do not want person X to get it as well.
  - egorfine 9mo ago
    > precisely defined bureaucratic process for everything Which is extremely similar to communism. As in: perfect in theory, impossible in real life.

egorfine 9mo ago

> You know that EU bureaucrats do what each country want them to do right? I'n not entirely sure about that. The vast majority of entrepreneurs are complaining about unrealistic requirements and inconceivable burdens in Germany. Certainly no one wants any of this. Yet somehow the rules pile up.

hvb2 9mo ago
You said > In Germany And then > Yet somehow the rules pile up. Which is just German culture as much as food is Italian. If you want rules for everything I'm hard pressed to think of a more regulated country than Germany. And the populace, in general, might scoff at how long things take but absolutely want to understand what the process is... So yeah, you can't have it both ways
- egorfine 9mo ago
  > hard pressed to think of a more regulated country than Germany. Unfortunately the influence of Germany over other EU countries is quite strong in terms of regulations. Absolutely no one wants more regulations, yet they slowly pile up in the whole EU. I live in Poland, where regulations are incomparably more sane than those of Germany, but even here it slowly grows.
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- yownie 9mo ago
  >Which is just German culture as much as food is Italian. https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20250227-is-there-no-such-thing-as-italian-cuisine https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20250227-is-there-no-such...
- seec 9mo ago
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  - martin_a 9mo ago
    This is possibly the greatest bullshit I've read today. Greetings from Germany!
    - embedding-shape 9mo ago
      Read so far* You haven't read all the 280 comments in this submission yet ;)
      - martin_a 9mo ago
        Not sure it's worth the time. ;-)
    - seec 9mo ago
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    - egorfine 9mo ago
      You should bear in mind that thinking of an IT specialist or a software developer is very much uncommon among population. As developers we tend to think alike worldwide. But walk out the door and ask ten (older) German people whether they would prefer to use government email-like service instead of paper mails, and see what answer comes to the top.
  - embedding-shape 9mo ago
    > The EU was supposed to bring countries together, but I think it did quite the contrary What are some concrete examples of how Europeans countries are now further away from each other, since the start of EU and because of EU? As someone who enjoyed the ability of freely moving across the continent to find a country I'm actually comfortable living in, it's hard for me to imagine EU made countries more distant to each other, but I'm not all-seeing and would love to understand more from another perspective.
kakacik 9mo ago
Bureaucracy is a beast with its own life, it doesn't care what regular people want. In fact most folks' requirements go directly against objectives of this beast, since people want it as small and as weak as possible, while beast need to be fed and feels internally it needs to be strong. Anything not related to gaining or maintaining strength is antagonist.
- bombcar 9mo ago
  And even if that's not the case, the group of "entrepreneurs" is so small compared to the voting population at large, that they won't even notice if they crush it entirely into paste.
  - egorfine 9mo ago
    Exactly this. Common folks like "tough on crime" postures of politicians and never consider nuance, which is everything. Yeah, crush them, those white-collared fraudsters.
whynotmaybe 9mo ago
It's the same in Belgium where it takes weeks to start a business, but as a French said to me some time ago, it's better than in France.
p0pularopinion 9mo ago
> Certainly no one wants any of this. Yet somehow the rules pile up. Haha. May I introduce you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Reform_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Reform_Movement German precision was not only about engineering, it has always also been about having a precisely defined bureaucratic process for everything. Also, people never explicitly say they do want more bureaucracy. More often, the bureaucracy is more often a result of what people don't want to. They may want more roads, but they don't want them near *their* home, thus they fight for something to prevent construction there. They may want this subsidy, but they most certainly do not want person X to get it as well.
- egorfine 9mo ago
  > precisely defined bureaucratic process for everything Which is extremely similar to communism. As in: perfect in theory, impossible in real life.