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Nah, politics is a cancer that's infected everything. Let the addicts get their fix someplace else

b40d-48b2-979e 9mo ago
Hand-waving everything as "politics" is not healthy. It's necessary for us to be able to make collective decisions on societal questions which is what "politics" are.
- AznHisoka 9mo ago
  I remembered when politics used to be called “current events”.
- bavell 9mo ago
  HN is the wrong forum for this.
  - hobs 9mo ago
    The idea that hackers are non political is very silly and very unbacked up by evidence.
  - buellerbueller 9mo ago
    This is what the biggest names in the VC class want you to think as they continue to enrich themselves, while (in the USA at least) they support a regime that is growing in its authoritarian output. Thiel, Musk, et. al., support, for example, Curtis Yarvin, who believes that democracy is a failed experiment and should be replaced with an all-powerful "CEO"
    - ryandrake 9mo ago
      > Thiel, Musk, et. al., support, for example, Curtis Yarvin, who believes that democracy is a failed experiment and should be replaced with an all-powerful "CEO" These guys all benefit when the No-Politics Purity Brigade drives by and flag-kills every article pointing out their wrongdoing as "political." By flagging this stuff, they're actually making HN more political: They are defending billionaires, their agendas, and their status-quo politics.
  - fzeroracer 9mo ago
    So I, as a software engineer, have to deal with the impacts of this administration both making my employment harder as well as terrorizing the city I live in. Where do you suggest I would go to share these issues other than the site that is specifically for hackers and tech workers? I get that people want to make the place 'non-political', but a lot of us in the US live in major metropolitan areas and are very directly impacted by all of the shit going on.
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    - buellerbueller 9mo ago
      "non-political" == pro status quo
      - bigstrat2003 9mo ago
        No. It means "sick to death of hearing about politics everywhere I go and I am desperate for the occasional respite from that madness". Your interpretation is extremely bad faith.
        buellerbueller 9mo ago
        It may not be your intent, but it has the effect of supporting the status quo.
rune-dev 9mo ago
Everything is political. Including ignoring politics.
- homeonthemtn 9mo ago
  Only if you make it political.
  - hobs 9mo ago
    Its a tired trope, but you are wrong. The haves and the have nots define everything about our society and Not Addressing The Situation is a very active choice, thus politics.
  - b40d-48b2-979e 9mo ago
    This is coming across to me as "things I don't like are 'politics'" if I'm being honest.
  - pixl97 9mo ago
    "I'm not political, I stay out of politics and I don't vote" ... time passes ... "What do you mean the people that I didn't vote for are sending me to war to die?!, I'm not political, why am I involved in this" --Modern day Russia.
  - nathan_compton 9mo ago
    This is such a weird idea. Everything is political because there are no universally agreed upon values. Humans literally do not always agree on what the purpose of society is, what is good and what is bad, how much power we should have over one another and nature. And, as far as I can tell, neither god nor philosophy seems willing to descend from heaven in order to resolve our differences. Thus, we are stuck discussing things amongst ourselves and deciding how to move forward, a process called politics.
    - bigstrat2003 9mo ago
      No, just because there are no universally agreed upon values does not make everything political. People can, and frequently do, agree to live and let live when they have differences of opinion rather than wage bitter wars over those differences. We can, and must, have spaces where we can enjoy things in life rather than having division fostered between us 24/7. There is no idea more toxic to the well being of society than the idea of "everything is political".
JKCalhoun 9mo ago
"Let the addicts get their fix someplace else" Open to suggestions from anyone.
- a-french-anon 9mo ago
  Seeing the kind of discourse you get here, how about Reddit?
buellerbueller 9mo ago
When is the last time that ignoring cancer has stopped it from metastasizing?

Hand-waving everything as "politics" is not healthy. It's necessary for us to be able to make collective decisions on societal questions which is what "politics" are.

AznHisoka 9mo ago
I remembered when politics used to be called “current events”.
bavell 9mo ago
HN is the wrong forum for this.
- hobs 9mo ago
  The idea that hackers are non political is very silly and very unbacked up by evidence.
- buellerbueller 9mo ago
  This is what the biggest names in the VC class want you to think as they continue to enrich themselves, while (in the USA at least) they support a regime that is growing in its authoritarian output. Thiel, Musk, et. al., support, for example, Curtis Yarvin, who believes that democracy is a failed experiment and should be replaced with an all-powerful "CEO"
  - ryandrake 9mo ago
    > Thiel, Musk, et. al., support, for example, Curtis Yarvin, who believes that democracy is a failed experiment and should be replaced with an all-powerful "CEO" These guys all benefit when the No-Politics Purity Brigade drives by and flag-kills every article pointing out their wrongdoing as "political." By flagging this stuff, they're actually making HN more political: They are defending billionaires, their agendas, and their status-quo politics.
- fzeroracer 9mo ago
  So I, as a software engineer, have to deal with the impacts of this administration both making my employment harder as well as terrorizing the city I live in. Where do you suggest I would go to share these issues other than the site that is specifically for hackers and tech workers? I get that people want to make the place 'non-political', but a lot of us in the US live in major metropolitan areas and are very directly impacted by all of the shit going on.
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  - buellerbueller 9mo ago
    "non-political" == pro status quo
    - bigstrat2003 9mo ago
      No. It means "sick to death of hearing about politics everywhere I go and I am desperate for the occasional respite from that madness". Your interpretation is extremely bad faith.
      - buellerbueller 9mo ago
        It may not be your intent, but it has the effect of supporting the status quo.

rune-dev 9mo ago

Everything is political. Including ignoring politics.

homeonthemtn 9mo ago
Only if you make it political.
- hobs 9mo ago
  Its a tired trope, but you are wrong. The haves and the have nots define everything about our society and Not Addressing The Situation is a very active choice, thus politics.
- b40d-48b2-979e 9mo ago
  This is coming across to me as "things I don't like are 'politics'" if I'm being honest.
- pixl97 9mo ago
  "I'm not political, I stay out of politics and I don't vote" ... time passes ... "What do you mean the people that I didn't vote for are sending me to war to die?!, I'm not political, why am I involved in this" --Modern day Russia.
- nathan_compton 9mo ago
  This is such a weird idea. Everything is political because there are no universally agreed upon values. Humans literally do not always agree on what the purpose of society is, what is good and what is bad, how much power we should have over one another and nature. And, as far as I can tell, neither god nor philosophy seems willing to descend from heaven in order to resolve our differences. Thus, we are stuck discussing things amongst ourselves and deciding how to move forward, a process called politics.
  - bigstrat2003 9mo ago
    No, just because there are no universally agreed upon values does not make everything political. People can, and frequently do, agree to live and let live when they have differences of opinion rather than wage bitter wars over those differences. We can, and must, have spaces where we can enjoy things in life rather than having division fostered between us 24/7. There is no idea more toxic to the well being of society than the idea of "everything is political".

JKCalhoun 9mo ago

"Let the addicts get their fix someplace else" Open to suggestions from anyone.

a-french-anon 9mo ago
Seeing the kind of discourse you get here, how about Reddit?

buellerbueller 9mo ago

When is the last time that ignoring cancer has stopped it from metastasizing?