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Unfortunately this does not override employment and tax laws - so you still cannot hire someone as an FTE in Paris, from a startup in Berlin for example (withou

Unfortunately this does not override employment and tax laws - so you still cannot hire someone as an FTE in Paris, from a startup in Berlin for example (without them being a freelancer, or you opening a payroll / tax office in France). But hopefully we can move towards that - standardised taxation (especially VAT and corporation tax would help massively here), the abolition of notaries, standardised requirements for document certification, and EU-wide digital ID so no need to fly in and sign in person.

gpjanik 9mo ago
You can, Deel etc. make this pretty easy.
- tadzik_ 9mo ago
  Deel is one of the reasons why my policy for working for foreign companies is "B2B or I'm fucking off". Everyone I know (employees/contractors using it, not the other side) who went for it hated and regretted it. Singling out Deel because you brought it up (and I ragequit after reading their "deel" and consulting it with a local lawyer), but I have the exact same story for every employer of record I've been involved with here in EU, and I don't know a single person who's been happy with them either (again, all employees/contractors). I understand that it's comfortable and convenient for the employer (presumably, or at least the perspective of outsourcing this and reducing liability outweighs everything else), but these companies absolutely do not know what they're doing wrt local laws.
- colinb 9mo ago
  How certain are you of this? I only have anecdata, but when I tried to use a 3rd party agency to hire someone in France, from Ireland I got the process through several layers of management, up to and including the CEO and COO of my American employer, and HR, and legal counsel, only to be warned away in the most emphatic terms by external counsel. They told us of the risk of large fines and jail time in France for executives of companies doing this. As I said, anecdotal, and a few years old.
  - seawsurf 9mo ago
    > They told us of the risk of large fines and jail time in France for executives of companies doing this. Just for hiring someone from France?
    - colinb 9mo ago
      just for hiring someone in France via a third-party employer of record.
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rodwyersoftware 9mo ago
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- andrepd 9mo ago
  "Digital signatures are a Jewish conspiracy" is not something I expected to read in this website
  - rodwyersoftware 9mo ago
    Correct, it is a factual conspiracy.
- ost-ing 9mo ago
  Ah yes the perfect scapegoat to blame for your miserable life
  - rodwyersoftware 9mo ago
    Jude
woodson 9mo ago
You still need a tax accountant in France to register the FTE and file paperwork with the tax office and social insurance.

gpjanik 9mo ago

You can, Deel etc. make this pretty easy.

tadzik_ 9mo ago
Deel is one of the reasons why my policy for working for foreign companies is "B2B or I'm fucking off". Everyone I know (employees/contractors using it, not the other side) who went for it hated and regretted it. Singling out Deel because you brought it up (and I ragequit after reading their "deel" and consulting it with a local lawyer), but I have the exact same story for every employer of record I've been involved with here in EU, and I don't know a single person who's been happy with them either (again, all employees/contractors). I understand that it's comfortable and convenient for the employer (presumably, or at least the perspective of outsourcing this and reducing liability outweighs everything else), but these companies absolutely do not know what they're doing wrt local laws.
colinb 9mo ago
How certain are you of this? I only have anecdata, but when I tried to use a 3rd party agency to hire someone in France, from Ireland I got the process through several layers of management, up to and including the CEO and COO of my American employer, and HR, and legal counsel, only to be warned away in the most emphatic terms by external counsel. They told us of the risk of large fines and jail time in France for executives of companies doing this. As I said, anecdotal, and a few years old.
- seawsurf 9mo ago
  > They told us of the risk of large fines and jail time in France for executives of companies doing this. Just for hiring someone from France?
  - colinb 9mo ago
    just for hiring someone in France via a third-party employer of record.
    - deleted 9mo ago
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rodwyersoftware 9mo ago

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andrepd 9mo ago
"Digital signatures are a Jewish conspiracy" is not something I expected to read in this website
- rodwyersoftware 9mo ago
  Correct, it is a factual conspiracy.
ost-ing 9mo ago
Ah yes the perfect scapegoat to blame for your miserable life
- rodwyersoftware 9mo ago
  Jude

woodson 9mo ago

You still need a tax accountant in France to register the FTE and file paperwork with the tax office and social insurance.