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If you want to avoid the tiny-yet-annoying bugs, switch back to Windows (that's what I did) (OS X is good too).

by BruceIV 14y ago

freehunter 14y ago
Yes, unfortunately with all the things Linux gets right, there's always those tiny but annoying bugs. Windows and OSX have fewer because they have huge budgets and strong management to make sure things are polished.
- shardling 14y ago
  On the other hand, I've encountered issues on OSX that I simply couldn't fix. With Linux, if you care enough about a bug you can generally find some workaround. (Assuming it's not driver related!)
  - BruceIV 14y ago
    Fair - but too often the bugs are driver-related. I realize that this is kind of unavoidable for open-source software in our economic system, but it doesn't make it any less annoying. It was the driver bugs that drove me back to Windows - doing multi-monitor is a pain in the rear, and suspend/hibernate would often break on distro update in the rare cases they worked before. Getting an up-to-date Web browser is a big plus for Windows over most Linux distros too (I know about Debian testing, Arch, PPA's, etc. - I said "most").
    - shardling 14y ago
      I believe Firefox now stays up to date on vanilla Ubuntu.
      - freehunter 14y ago
        Yeah, Ubuntu updates Firefox usually the same day it's released.
      - BruceIV 14y ago
        Good to know.
      - BruceIV 14y ago
        What about Chrome/Chromium?
        freehunter 14y ago
        They stay well up to date, but not because of Ubuntu. At least the last time I used Chrome, it required a PPA from Google, which is updated by Google. The Firefox repo is updated by Canonical's apt staff.
viraptor 14y ago
Not sure if joking or not... I keep running into big bugs in windows all the time and I'm using it only as an outlook box.
- cooldeal 14y ago
  > I keep running into big bugs in windows all the time and I'm using it only as an outlook box. Examples of said big bugs?
  - viraptor 14y ago
    Service host (was that the correct name?) crashes at least once a week. Service host suddenly takes 90%+ of cpu. Start bar hiding behind windows. Sleep randomly causes hibernate or reboot instead. Network doesn't work properly after resuming the system (take cable out, plug in again - works). System update hangs forever. Copy anything formatted + paste into outlook -> rarely causes whole machine to freeze for ~2min. Wifi direct popup shows up again after closing. Changing location of a network printer (same printer, just moved) requires downloading its drivers again (ubuntu has them by default). Bluetooth just doesn't connect with Galaxy S2 (no problems under ubuntu). I could go on... And that's a proper laptop with a clean system, part of an AD, running only outlook the whole day. On the other hand ubuntu natty used at the same time as the main machine, usually handling heavy development, testing and a number of VMs didn't surprise me once.
    - cooldeal 14y ago
      Interesting. I don't see any of those issues on all four Windows machines I use daily(Work PC, home desktop, laptop, HTPC). There might be something with your setup, network or hardware causing this.

If you want to avoid the tiny-yet-annoying bugs, switch back to Windows (that's what I did) (OS X is good too).

by BruceIV 14y ago

If you want to avoid the tiny-yet-annoying bugs, switch back to Windows (that's what I did) (OS X is good too).

Yes, unfortunately with all the things Linux gets right, there's always those tiny but annoying bugs. Windows and OSX have fewer because they have huge budgets and strong management to make sure things are polished.

shardling 14y ago
On the other hand, I've encountered issues on OSX that I simply couldn't fix. With Linux, if you care enough about a bug you can generally find some workaround. (Assuming it's not driver related!)
- BruceIV 14y ago
  Fair - but too often the bugs are driver-related. I realize that this is kind of unavoidable for open-source software in our economic system, but it doesn't make it any less annoying. It was the driver bugs that drove me back to Windows - doing multi-monitor is a pain in the rear, and suspend/hibernate would often break on distro update in the rare cases they worked before. Getting an up-to-date Web browser is a big plus for Windows over most Linux distros too (I know about Debian testing, Arch, PPA's, etc. - I said "most").
  - shardling 14y ago
    I believe Firefox now stays up to date on vanilla Ubuntu.
    - freehunter 14y ago
      Yeah, Ubuntu updates Firefox usually the same day it's released.
    - BruceIV 14y ago
      Good to know.
    - BruceIV 14y ago
      What about Chrome/Chromium?
      - freehunter 14y ago
        They stay well up to date, but not because of Ubuntu. At least the last time I used Chrome, it required a PPA from Google, which is updated by Google. The Firefox repo is updated by Canonical's apt staff.

viraptor 14y ago

Not sure if joking or not... I keep running into big bugs in windows all the time and I'm using it only as an outlook box.

cooldeal 14y ago
> I keep running into big bugs in windows all the time and I'm using it only as an outlook box. Examples of said big bugs?
- viraptor 14y ago
  Service host (was that the correct name?) crashes at least once a week. Service host suddenly takes 90%+ of cpu. Start bar hiding behind windows. Sleep randomly causes hibernate or reboot instead. Network doesn't work properly after resuming the system (take cable out, plug in again - works). System update hangs forever. Copy anything formatted + paste into outlook -> rarely causes whole machine to freeze for ~2min. Wifi direct popup shows up again after closing. Changing location of a network printer (same printer, just moved) requires downloading its drivers again (ubuntu has them by default). Bluetooth just doesn't connect with Galaxy S2 (no problems under ubuntu). I could go on... And that's a proper laptop with a clean system, part of an AD, running only outlook the whole day. On the other hand ubuntu natty used at the same time as the main machine, usually handling heavy development, testing and a number of VMs didn't surprise me once.
  - cooldeal 14y ago
    Interesting. I don't see any of those issues on all four Windows machines I use daily(Work PC, home desktop, laptop, HTPC). There might be something with your setup, network or hardware causing this.