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> Despite having U.S. investors, Nginx's engineering team is based in Russia. Not only is it based in Russia, it is 100% Russian. If that doesn't scare the shi

by maratd 14y ago

> Despite having U.S. investors, Nginx's engineering team is based in Russia. Not only is it based in Russia, it is 100% Russian. If that doesn't scare the shit out of you, then I already know that you're not Russian =) > One interpretation is that you don't need to be in the Valley to develop a first-rate product I'll stick with Apache HTTPD and the Apache Foundation, despite its alleged shortcomings. The web server is front and center in pretty much every business. I'll pass on an outfit that sticks communist imagery into its logo.

mitjak 14y ago
Do you also avoid Chinese and German products for similar reasons? If so, are you a time traveller from 1952?
sbochins 14y ago
Shouldn't we base technological choices on technology. Considering we're not living in the 1950's anymore I don't think the fear of "Russians" should play such a large role in web server choices.
- ComputerGuru 14y ago
  Agreed. Someone please explain this to Capitol Hill (re Huawei).
  - rikthevik 14y ago
    Nginx is open source and easily auditable. Huawei's products are not. Trust, but verify.
BasDirks 14y ago
how come you're not downvoted all the way to hell yet?
ArbitraryLimits 14y ago
Keep an eye on your precious bodily fluids. They're the first thing to go.
nnq 14y ago
...in what context would this make any sense?: "If that doesn't scare the shit out of you, then I already know that you're not Russian =)"
- xentronium 14y ago
  Strongly off-topic, but xenopatriotism is very widespread among Russians, especially emigrants. I wouldn't like for discussion to delve into that direction, but such opinion is often justified (obviously not now, though).
  - nnq 14y ago
    Thanks for teaching me a new word today ("xenopatriotism")... it even sounds funny and makes me think of the Alien's xenomorphs :) On the serious side of things, it's also helpful but maybe a bit to intense to characterize my feelings regarding my native country, but I definitely wouldn't mix this with judging software quality...
    - xentronium 14y ago
      I'm fairly sure that's a made up word, but I like it for its succinctness and don't know any good synonyms.
      - bbotond 14y ago
        Every word is made up.
- mitjak 14y ago
  Presumably, OC has had experience living in Russia and doesn't trust anything coming out of it, however brilliant.
josephlord 14y ago
It is BSD licensed. If you are worried build from source. It is sufficiently widely used that someone would notice anything too malicious.
TeMPOraL 14y ago
I believe he meant the opposite of what seems to be understood - in stereotypes russians are highly respected for being extremely smart and resourceful, to the point of being completely badass for western standards. For example, in Poland we sometimes joke about how russian/soviet technology came only in two kinds - if a device won't fall apart immediately after start, it will last forever. It's mostly meant to be whining about "planned obsolescence" and other business attitudes that came from west, that ultimately is about short term money gain for producers on the expense of consumers' money, happiness and natural resources.
- maratd 14y ago
  No, I meant what I said and what I said speaks for itself. I understand very few understood what I said, but the only way I know how to make them grasp my concerns is a one-way ticket to Russia. I am not disputing that it's a well-engineered piece of technology. It may even be superior. That's irrelevant. I expect a level of professionalism and ethical behavior from an open-source project, especially if I rely on it pretty heavily. Placing communist imagery in the logo isn't amusing. And no Russian would find it amusing. I certainly don't. I prefer that my software not make any political statements. Especially if the system it purports to support is responsible for the death of millions of people.
  - Vidart 14y ago
    Where did you find "communist imagery in the logo"? http://nginx.org/nginx.gif http://nginx.org/nginx.gif
    - TeMPOraL 14y ago
      http://wiki.nginx.org/images/8/83/Nginx-logo.svg http://wiki.nginx.org/images/8/83/Nginx-logo.svg Old one was better, IMO. "Communist imagery" had some style.
      - Vidart 14y ago
        It's not the "old one". Actually, the green logo was made by Igor Sysoev and it is the oldest and the only official logo. That one from "wiki.nginx.org" is made by Cliff Wells, creator of the wiki: http://www.enemyofthestatement.com/page/view/about http://www.enemyofthestatement.com/page/view/about btw, it's funny, @maratd who wrote "Placing communist imagery in the logo isn't amusing" doesn't even imagine that it actually was done by US citizen.

by maratd 14y ago

mitjak 14y ago

Do you also avoid Chinese and German products for similar reasons? If so, are you a time traveller from 1952?

sbochins 14y ago

Shouldn't we base technological choices on technology. Considering we're not living in the 1950's anymore I don't think the fear of "Russians" should play such a large role in web server choices.

ComputerGuru 14y ago
Agreed. Someone please explain this to Capitol Hill (re Huawei).
- rikthevik 14y ago
  Nginx is open source and easily auditable. Huawei's products are not. Trust, but verify.

BasDirks 14y ago

how come you're not downvoted all the way to hell yet?

ArbitraryLimits 14y ago

Keep an eye on your precious bodily fluids. They're the first thing to go.

nnq 14y ago

...in what context would this make any sense?: "If that doesn't scare the shit out of you, then I already know that you're not Russian =)"

xentronium 14y ago
Strongly off-topic, but xenopatriotism is very widespread among Russians, especially emigrants. I wouldn't like for discussion to delve into that direction, but such opinion is often justified (obviously not now, though).
- nnq 14y ago
  Thanks for teaching me a new word today ("xenopatriotism")... it even sounds funny and makes me think of the Alien's xenomorphs :) On the serious side of things, it's also helpful but maybe a bit to intense to characterize my feelings regarding my native country, but I definitely wouldn't mix this with judging software quality...
  - xentronium 14y ago
    I'm fairly sure that's a made up word, but I like it for its succinctness and don't know any good synonyms.
    - bbotond 14y ago
      Every word is made up.
mitjak 14y ago
Presumably, OC has had experience living in Russia and doesn't trust anything coming out of it, however brilliant.

josephlord 14y ago

It is BSD licensed. If you are worried build from source. It is sufficiently widely used that someone would notice anything too malicious.

TeMPOraL 14y ago

I believe he meant the opposite of what seems to be understood - in stereotypes russians are highly respected for being extremely smart and resourceful, to the point of being completely badass for western standards. For example, in Poland we sometimes joke about how russian/soviet technology came only in two kinds - if a device won't fall apart immediately after start, it will last forever. It's mostly meant to be whining about "planned obsolescence" and other business attitudes that came from west, that ultimately is about short term money gain for producers on the expense of consumers' money, happiness and natural resources.

maratd 14y ago
No, I meant what I said and what I said speaks for itself. I understand very few understood what I said, but the only way I know how to make them grasp my concerns is a one-way ticket to Russia. I am not disputing that it's a well-engineered piece of technology. It may even be superior. That's irrelevant. I expect a level of professionalism and ethical behavior from an open-source project, especially if I rely on it pretty heavily. Placing communist imagery in the logo isn't amusing. And no Russian would find it amusing. I certainly don't. I prefer that my software not make any political statements. Especially if the system it purports to support is responsible for the death of millions of people.
- Vidart 14y ago
  Where did you find "communist imagery in the logo"? http://nginx.org/nginx.gif http://nginx.org/nginx.gif
  - TeMPOraL 14y ago
    http://wiki.nginx.org/images/8/83/Nginx-logo.svg http://wiki.nginx.org/images/8/83/Nginx-logo.svg Old one was better, IMO. "Communist imagery" had some style.
    - Vidart 14y ago
      It's not the "old one". Actually, the green logo was made by Igor Sysoev and it is the oldest and the only official logo. That one from "wiki.nginx.org" is made by Cliff Wells, creator of the wiki: http://www.enemyofthestatement.com/page/view/about http://www.enemyofthestatement.com/page/view/about btw, it's funny, @maratd who wrote "Placing communist imagery in the logo isn't amusing" doesn't even imagine that it actually was done by US citizen.