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Well, don't leave us hanging. What did they say?

by wackget 9mo ago

cryptoegorophy 9mo ago
Smartest thing would've been - move out of Ukraine. Shit went sideways long before borders got closed. There were plenty of red flags.
- verelo 9mo ago
  Funny, not funny, this friend and I met up in early 2020 and had a beer down the road. He was telling me he'd rented his apartment in Liviv and was moving here next week. He had to go home to get some things, hand over the unit, and then he'd be back. Next week was the pandemic, borders closed. He never left, and now he /still/ cant.
- Scrapemist 9mo ago
  They are proud people who want to defend their country.
  - anticodon 9mo ago
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    - koonsolo 9mo ago
      I work with plenty of people from Ukraine. And recently, someone went abroad. So it's definitely still possible.
      - anticodon 9mo ago
        Very unlikely. Men of ages 18-60 are forbidden to leave Ukraine since February 27 or 28 of 2022. Women cannot cross the border since 2023. Of course, there should be some exceptions. For example, some people need to go abroad to bring Western supplied munitions, officials can leave to visit other countries, etc. But almost 100% of the population cannot leave Ukraine under any circumstances.
        kakacik 9mo ago
        Untrue, why the heck do you keep spreading lies all over here? Young people including men 18-22 can leave Ukraine these days. This change was all over the world news at the end of December. You are not on the top of your game, are you.
        gpderetta 9mo ago
        A not so great man once said: "To think badly is a sin, but you're almost always right".
        anticodon 9mo ago
        I don't follow Ukrainian laws closely. I remember they allowed young men of ages 18-22 to cross the border in August 2025 (!). That caused enormous lines on the borders as the first day after this law 11,000 young men fled the country. But that only about men of age 18-22. Men of age 22-60 still cannot leave the country. And 18-22 couldn't leave the country for three years.
        koonsolo 9mo ago
        Honest question: why do you comment when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about? You make all kinds of false claims, and then people who actually know have to correct you.
        anticodon 9mo ago
        I have information from the first hands because half of my family lives in Ukraine. Where do you get your information? From CNN? Can you show an Ukrainian law that allows men to freely cross the border?
        koonsolo 9mo ago
        You skipped the part where I said I work with Ukrainians? I work with them on a weekly basis for 13 years. > Can you show an Ukrainian law that allows men to freely cross the border? Did I say he crossed it legally? He crossed it illegally of course, which according to you was impossible due to guards with automatic rifles, drones and anti-personnel mines. > half of my family lives in Ukraine. My bet: You haven't spoken with them in years, because they cut connections due to your political views. Just as I will now.
    - kakacik 9mo ago
      This is a lie, please stop spreading those. There are no "all barbed wire" borders, no anti-personnel mines, "guards with automatic weapons" sounds like some meme from 80s video games (which border guards anywhere in the world don't have some rifle with automatic fire mode?). Young people from Ukraine can currently travel free as far as I know. You were thinking about russia, weren't you. Its not true even for that shithole, but much closer.
  - abc123abc123 9mo ago
    Let politicians fight and die in their own wars. If russia "visited" my country, I'd follow it with a drink in my hand from the bahamas. No piece of dirt or earth is worth dying for, ever.
    - throw0101c 9mo ago
      > No piece of dirt or earth is worth dying for, ever. If no one ever defends the dirt, the pieces of earth where you can enjoy a drink in peace and freedom will shrink over time as the aggressors will continue to gobble up land because of the lack of defending. They keep moving forward, you keep moving back, until you have no where to retreat to.
      - user205738 9mo ago
        Come back to this comment in a few years and think about whether something significant has changed for those people who did not sacrifice their lives for a meaningless battle. People are more important than the state. If they are not ready to defend him, why should they be forced? You can offer money or other valuables in return, such as fame, a pension, or a position, but if a person doesn't want to, why should they do it?
        throw0101c 9mo ago
        > Come back to this comment in a few years and think about whether something significant has changed for those people who did not sacrifice their lives for a meaningless battle. My family is from Eastern Europe: if people had not fought "meaningless" battles then the land would have been ruled by genocidal maniacs. As it stand my grandmother almost ended up in an oven. My very existence is the result of the battles having meaning, that people fighting matters.
        user205738 8mo ago
        There is a significant difference. Nothing will change for an ordinary person now. At that time, the Genplan OST implied the almost complete extermination and the enslavement of a small number of the remaining people. And also going back to the second part of the top commentary. At that time, people had a great motivation to defend their homeland and their loved ones. The survival of the country and the survival of the people in it were inextricably linked. The current conflict has no such connection. The existence or cessation of the existence of the state is not related to the existence of people in it. Many of whom found life in a completely different country. There were already volunteers, mercenaries, those who fell for a good salary. Why force those who actively avoid it?
  - bill_joy_fanboy 9mo ago
    In this day an age, if you are a Western man defending a Western country's leading power structure, you are a fool. The idea of being drafted to defend my country that sells me out at every opportunity is laughable.
- crystal_revenge 9mo ago
  The world we're headed for there is no "other place" to escape to. Many people's view of survival during collapse ultimately assumes the existence of a fairly large "safe haven" space for which they just need to survive until they get there.
- koonsolo 9mo ago
  That depends on a lot of personal things. I remember a Ukrainian I personally know, leaving after the 2014 invasion. When Russia was doing "exercises" at their border in 2022, I asked them in a meeting what they felt (guys living in Lviv). Most of them thought Russia would have done it in 2014 already, and now it didn't make much sense. Only 1 person responded he filled up his gas tank. But in the end, nobody left Lviv right after the invasion.
verelo 9mo ago
LOL sorry, here's the list: Generator 5kw - you want something with a higher duty cycle than you need so it can run for extended periods Diesel storage for back of a truck - 330 Gallon (nice to have, after a week or two supply lines got fixed) Diesel - for said tank Medical supplies - IFAK kit (NAR is a good vendor). Bleeding control & dexamethasone. Solar power - 1-5kwh. We still get 10-15 hrs a day on the grid, but this would be ideal. Batteries - minimum 5+kwh storage Network cable - 300m+ to start. I'm shocked how many times I need a cable and cant get any. Hand pumps or small electric pump for different fuels and water Ice auger - gas, but electric ideally, large / long drill bit 2" works too if you have a drill and smaller pipes? Take a first aid course - MARCH protocol Iodine pills not important - way bigger issues if you're resorting to that. Get a rifle - not good for military but useful against looters and other unarmed crazy people Get familiar with remote detonation with drones, these are what we use to set off the molotovs: <https://www.amazon.co.uk/100-30cm-Electric-Fireworks-Igniters/dp/B0BJQM6P73 https://www.amazon.co.uk/100-30cm-Electric-Fireworks-Igniter...> Edit: formatting
- cryptoegorophy 9mo ago
  is the last point correct? "Get familiar with remote detonation with drones, these are what we use to set off the molotovs:" seems off for this list, like way off and more on military/offence side of type of thing? and why would you need a 300m+ ethernet cable in a disaster?
  - snypher 9mo ago
    Depending on the scale of the disaster you may not want your Starlink on your bedroom roof.
    - verelo 9mo ago
      Totally valid use case for sure, and we discussed this because I do have a Starlink dish, but honestly, in a conflict with the US...I don't think a) I'd want to use starlink and b) i'd expect it to work.
  - 9mo ago

Well, don't leave us hanging. What did they say?

by wackget 9mo ago

Well, don't leave us hanging. What did they say?

Smartest thing would've been - move out of Ukraine. Shit went sideways long before borders got closed. There were plenty of red flags.

verelo 9mo ago
Funny, not funny, this friend and I met up in early 2020 and had a beer down the road. He was telling me he'd rented his apartment in Liviv and was moving here next week. He had to go home to get some things, hand over the unit, and then he'd be back. Next week was the pandemic, borders closed. He never left, and now he /still/ cant.
Scrapemist 9mo ago
They are proud people who want to defend their country.
- anticodon 9mo ago
  [flagged]
  - koonsolo 9mo ago
    I work with plenty of people from Ukraine. And recently, someone went abroad. So it's definitely still possible.
    - anticodon 9mo ago
      Very unlikely. Men of ages 18-60 are forbidden to leave Ukraine since February 27 or 28 of 2022. Women cannot cross the border since 2023. Of course, there should be some exceptions. For example, some people need to go abroad to bring Western supplied munitions, officials can leave to visit other countries, etc. But almost 100% of the population cannot leave Ukraine under any circumstances.
      - kakacik 9mo ago
        Untrue, why the heck do you keep spreading lies all over here? Young people including men 18-22 can leave Ukraine these days. This change was all over the world news at the end of December. You are not on the top of your game, are you.
        gpderetta 9mo ago
        A not so great man once said: "To think badly is a sin, but you're almost always right".
        anticodon 9mo ago
        I don't follow Ukrainian laws closely. I remember they allowed young men of ages 18-22 to cross the border in August 2025 (!). That caused enormous lines on the borders as the first day after this law 11,000 young men fled the country. But that only about men of age 18-22. Men of age 22-60 still cannot leave the country. And 18-22 couldn't leave the country for three years.
        koonsolo 9mo ago
        Honest question: why do you comment when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about? You make all kinds of false claims, and then people who actually know have to correct you.
        anticodon 9mo ago
        I have information from the first hands because half of my family lives in Ukraine. Where do you get your information? From CNN? Can you show an Ukrainian law that allows men to freely cross the border?
        koonsolo 9mo ago
        You skipped the part where I said I work with Ukrainians? I work with them on a weekly basis for 13 years. > Can you show an Ukrainian law that allows men to freely cross the border? Did I say he crossed it legally? He crossed it illegally of course, which according to you was impossible due to guards with automatic rifles, drones and anti-personnel mines. > half of my family lives in Ukraine. My bet: You haven't spoken with them in years, because they cut connections due to your political views. Just as I will now.
  - kakacik 9mo ago
    This is a lie, please stop spreading those. There are no "all barbed wire" borders, no anti-personnel mines, "guards with automatic weapons" sounds like some meme from 80s video games (which border guards anywhere in the world don't have some rifle with automatic fire mode?). Young people from Ukraine can currently travel free as far as I know. You were thinking about russia, weren't you. Its not true even for that shithole, but much closer.
- abc123abc123 9mo ago
  Let politicians fight and die in their own wars. If russia "visited" my country, I'd follow it with a drink in my hand from the bahamas. No piece of dirt or earth is worth dying for, ever.
  - throw0101c 9mo ago
    > No piece of dirt or earth is worth dying for, ever. If no one ever defends the dirt, the pieces of earth where you can enjoy a drink in peace and freedom will shrink over time as the aggressors will continue to gobble up land because of the lack of defending. They keep moving forward, you keep moving back, until you have no where to retreat to.
    - user205738 9mo ago
      Come back to this comment in a few years and think about whether something significant has changed for those people who did not sacrifice their lives for a meaningless battle. People are more important than the state. If they are not ready to defend him, why should they be forced? You can offer money or other valuables in return, such as fame, a pension, or a position, but if a person doesn't want to, why should they do it?
      - throw0101c 9mo ago
        > Come back to this comment in a few years and think about whether something significant has changed for those people who did not sacrifice their lives for a meaningless battle. My family is from Eastern Europe: if people had not fought "meaningless" battles then the land would have been ruled by genocidal maniacs. As it stand my grandmother almost ended up in an oven. My very existence is the result of the battles having meaning, that people fighting matters.
        user205738 8mo ago
        There is a significant difference. Nothing will change for an ordinary person now. At that time, the Genplan OST implied the almost complete extermination and the enslavement of a small number of the remaining people. And also going back to the second part of the top commentary. At that time, people had a great motivation to defend their homeland and their loved ones. The survival of the country and the survival of the people in it were inextricably linked. The current conflict has no such connection. The existence or cessation of the existence of the state is not related to the existence of people in it. Many of whom found life in a completely different country. There were already volunteers, mercenaries, those who fell for a good salary. Why force those who actively avoid it?
- bill_joy_fanboy 9mo ago
  In this day an age, if you are a Western man defending a Western country's leading power structure, you are a fool. The idea of being drafted to defend my country that sells me out at every opportunity is laughable.
crystal_revenge 9mo ago
The world we're headed for there is no "other place" to escape to. Many people's view of survival during collapse ultimately assumes the existence of a fairly large "safe haven" space for which they just need to survive until they get there.
koonsolo 9mo ago
That depends on a lot of personal things. I remember a Ukrainian I personally know, leaving after the 2014 invasion. When Russia was doing "exercises" at their border in 2022, I asked them in a meeting what they felt (guys living in Lviv). Most of them thought Russia would have done it in 2014 already, and now it didn't make much sense. Only 1 person responded he filled up his gas tank. But in the end, nobody left Lviv right after the invasion.

verelo 9mo ago

LOL sorry, here's the list: Generator 5kw - you want something with a higher duty cycle than you need so it can run for extended periods Diesel storage for back of a truck - 330 Gallon (nice to have, after a week or two supply lines got fixed) Diesel - for said tank Medical supplies - IFAK kit (NAR is a good vendor). Bleeding control & dexamethasone. Solar power - 1-5kwh. We still get 10-15 hrs a day on the grid, but this would be ideal. Batteries - minimum 5+kwh storage Network cable - 300m+ to start. I'm shocked how many times I need a cable and cant get any. Hand pumps or small electric pump for different fuels and water Ice auger - gas, but electric ideally, large / long drill bit 2" works too if you have a drill and smaller pipes? Take a first aid course - MARCH protocol Iodine pills not important - way bigger issues if you're resorting to that. Get a rifle - not good for military but useful against looters and other unarmed crazy people Get familiar with remote detonation with drones, these are what we use to set off the molotovs: <https://www.amazon.co.uk/100-30cm-Electric-Fireworks-Igniters/dp/B0BJQM6P73 https://www.amazon.co.uk/100-30cm-Electric-Fireworks-Igniter...> Edit: formatting

cryptoegorophy 9mo ago
is the last point correct? "Get familiar with remote detonation with drones, these are what we use to set off the molotovs:" seems off for this list, like way off and more on military/offence side of type of thing? and why would you need a 300m+ ethernet cable in a disaster?
- snypher 9mo ago
  Depending on the scale of the disaster you may not want your Starlink on your bedroom roof.
  - verelo 9mo ago
    Totally valid use case for sure, and we discussed this because I do have a Starlink dish, but honestly, in a conflict with the US...I don't think a) I'd want to use starlink and b) i'd expect it to work.
- 9mo ago