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"Rome was destroyed, Greece was destroyed, Persia was destroyed, Spain was destroyed. All great countries are destroyed. Why not yours? How much longer do you r

"Rome was destroyed, Greece was destroyed, Persia was destroyed, Spain was destroyed. All great countries are destroyed. Why not yours? How much longer do you really think your own country will last? Forever?" - Joseph Heller, Catch-22

JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
> Rome was destroyed, Greece was destroyed, Persia was destroyed, Spain was destroyed Now count the centuries those cultures existed and exercised hegemony. The dark thought is this: we may be at the crossroads for containing an imperial America. Because if America commits to global empire it will take WWIII to contain it.
- devman0 9mo ago
  Right, I mean the Roman Republic declined and gave way to Roman Empire for a long time before Rome finally waned. That doesn't feel like it would be a good time for the rest of the world if the United States gave way to the United Empire for next 500 years.
  - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
    > the Roman Republic declined and gave way to Roman Empire for a long time before Rome finally waned The Roman Republic was a rising power for centuries. It became the eminent Mediterranean power in 146 BCE and annexed Gaul under Caesar, right as it was collapsing. The Roman Empire then lasted for centuries more. > doesn't feel like it would be a good time for the rest of the world if the United States gave way to the United Empire for next 500 years Or America trying for that future. That’s WWIII.
- AtlasBarfed 9mo ago
  Nuclear annihilation will go restrain growth outside of obvious geographic spheres in theory. Industry was not globalized in the previous regimes of pre-World war imperialism. That is the novel difference now. And China requires globalized trade in order to support its overindustrialization and economy. America also currently requires it because it doesn't have its industrial base anymore. It will probably re-industrialize over the next coming decades but that's something that happens over decades. However, I feel the new rise of imperialism also marks the end of civilization's historical memory of industrial warfare of the world wars. And that is a very very bad thing
  - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
    > Nuclear annihilation will go restrain growth outside of obvious geographic spheres in theory Russia has been itching to use tactical nukes. If America makes two, that’s the future.
    - ndsipa_pomu 9mo ago
      First, it's Putin, not Russia. Second, he's not itching to use tactical nukes as that will show his hand and there's a good chance that some of their nukes won't work as advertised due to corruption throughout all their systems. What Putin enjoys doing is threatening to use tactical nukes in the hope that no-one calls his bluff.
      - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
        > it's Putin, not Russia It’s Putin and Moscow, that population has gone all in on this nonsense. > What Putin enjoys doing is threatening to use tactical nukes in the hope that no-one calls his bluff Fair enough. But the threat has been real and explicit. Which gives cover for someone else who actually wants to use them.
- SanjayMehta 9mo ago
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  - IAmBroom 9mo ago
    Yeah. Go with that. Putin invaded Ukraine* to push the Nazis back. Oh wait! That IS what he originally claimed! * Only Russian sympathizers call it "The Ukraine"... Have I found a Russian bot IRL? Or just a Putin fanboy?
    - SanjayMehta 9mo ago
      You've found someone who worked with The Ukraine for many years and knows exactly what they're like. What's your experience?
- Revolution1120 9mo ago
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JumpCrisscross 9mo ago

> Rome was destroyed, Greece was destroyed, Persia was destroyed, Spain was destroyed Now count the centuries those cultures existed and exercised hegemony. The dark thought is this: we may be at the crossroads for containing an imperial America. Because if America commits to global empire it will take WWIII to contain it.

devman0 9mo ago
Right, I mean the Roman Republic declined and gave way to Roman Empire for a long time before Rome finally waned. That doesn't feel like it would be a good time for the rest of the world if the United States gave way to the United Empire for next 500 years.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
  > the Roman Republic declined and gave way to Roman Empire for a long time before Rome finally waned The Roman Republic was a rising power for centuries. It became the eminent Mediterranean power in 146 BCE and annexed Gaul under Caesar, right as it was collapsing. The Roman Empire then lasted for centuries more. > doesn't feel like it would be a good time for the rest of the world if the United States gave way to the United Empire for next 500 years Or America trying for that future. That’s WWIII.
AtlasBarfed 9mo ago
Nuclear annihilation will go restrain growth outside of obvious geographic spheres in theory. Industry was not globalized in the previous regimes of pre-World war imperialism. That is the novel difference now. And China requires globalized trade in order to support its overindustrialization and economy. America also currently requires it because it doesn't have its industrial base anymore. It will probably re-industrialize over the next coming decades but that's something that happens over decades. However, I feel the new rise of imperialism also marks the end of civilization's historical memory of industrial warfare of the world wars. And that is a very very bad thing
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
  > Nuclear annihilation will go restrain growth outside of obvious geographic spheres in theory Russia has been itching to use tactical nukes. If America makes two, that’s the future.
  - ndsipa_pomu 9mo ago
    First, it's Putin, not Russia. Second, he's not itching to use tactical nukes as that will show his hand and there's a good chance that some of their nukes won't work as advertised due to corruption throughout all their systems. What Putin enjoys doing is threatening to use tactical nukes in the hope that no-one calls his bluff.
    - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
      > it's Putin, not Russia It’s Putin and Moscow, that population has gone all in on this nonsense. > What Putin enjoys doing is threatening to use tactical nukes in the hope that no-one calls his bluff Fair enough. But the threat has been real and explicit. Which gives cover for someone else who actually wants to use them.
SanjayMehta 9mo ago
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- IAmBroom 9mo ago
  Yeah. Go with that. Putin invaded Ukraine* to push the Nazis back. Oh wait! That IS what he originally claimed! * Only Russian sympathizers call it "The Ukraine"... Have I found a Russian bot IRL? Or just a Putin fanboy?
  - SanjayMehta 9mo ago
    You've found someone who worked with The Ukraine for many years and knows exactly what they're like. What's your experience?
Revolution1120 9mo ago
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