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> For decades, countries like Canada prospered under what we called the rules-based international order. As an Indian listening to this, this comes across as a

by qart 9mo ago

> For decades, countries like Canada prospered under what we called the rules-based international order. As an Indian listening to this, this comes across as absurd. Trudeau constantly invoked this phrase when dealing with India about the murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjar. It basically meant Trudeau could level allegations, not provide any evidence, and strut as if he as won. In due course, the murderers turned out to be their own terrorists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardeep_Singh_Nijjar#Diplomatic_fallout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardeep_Singh_Nijjar#Diplomati...

rfrey 9mo ago
Are you saying a "Canadian Terrorist" murdered Nijjar? The article you link says nothing about any country (except India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka) disputing Canada's claim.
- qart 9mo ago
  Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalistan_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalistan_movement is not a significant movement in India. I have plenty of connections with Sikhs and Sikhism in India. Apart from a very tiny minority of people, who quickly set off to Canada, this movement does not exist in India. They are courted by Canadian parliamentarians, which included Trudeau. This book has more details about the movement: https://www.amazon.in/Blood-Fifty-Global-Khalistan-Project/dp/935422766X https://www.amazon.in/Blood-Fifty-Global-Khalistan-Project/d...
  - rfrey 9mo ago
    If it's such an insignificant movement, it's curious why India saw fit to assassinate a Canadian on Canadian soil. A claim that as near as I can tell only India and its surrogates (such as yourself, it seems) dispute.
    - qart 9mo ago
      > If it's such an insignificant movement It is a significant movement in Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 Also, the veracity of a claim does not depend on who is making it or who is disputing it. The accusing investigation agency has do a proper investigation and submit proofs and ask for extradition.
      - rfrey 8mo ago
        Yes, Canadian investigators should have gone to India to investigate and build a case against the Indian government. That would have worked well. Several countries examined Canada's evidence and found it satisfactory. Your government conducted an extra judicial execution of a Canadian citizen on Canadian territory. You are the baddies, even if your government assures you of the opposite.
        qart 8mo ago
        You are resistant to all the actual information I have provided you. Your terrorists are killing more of your own citizens. But, I suppose Indian government should straightaway accept guilt for all such murders including that of Harjeet Singh Dhadda and an upstanding citizen Harpreet Singh Uppal. Mark Carney is cosying up to the same Indian government. I wonder which strategy of Carney will work on you: supply kool-aid or pretend there was never any problem. I'm betting on the latter.
gruez 9mo ago
>It basically meant Trudeau could level allegations, not provide any evidence, and strut as if he as won. Canada's case was well corroborated by US and UK intelligence. India's claims of Mr Nijjar of being a terrorist was not. >But nothing in the evidence India presented, the people say, met the standard for criminal charges in Canada, let alone for extradition. To press their case, officials in New Delhi frequently sent clippings from Indian media, which was rife with lurid stories about Nijjar’s alleged involvement in violence, instead of providing what the process required: hard evidence, obtained without coercion, that would stand up in a Western courtroom. When that didn’t work, the people say, the Indians suggested that Canadian police find a way to concoct the necessary evidence. https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2025-india-sikh-separatist-deaths/ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2025-india-sikh-separatis...
- qart 9mo ago
  > India's claims of Mr Nijjar of being a terrorist was not. But I'm not talking about this claim. I'm talking about the fact that Trudeau accused the Indian government being responsible for his murder. The onus was always on the Canadian government to prove it. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-indian-government-nijjar-1.6970498 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-indian-government-n...
  - gruez 9mo ago
    So bringing up an off topic comment about the Canadian government is fair game, but bring up a rebuttal from the Indian government is not?
    - qart 9mo ago
      Calling out hypocrisy is fair game. What rebuttal? Why even talk about irrelevant "clippings"? On whom is the onus of providing evidence?
bluegatty 9mo ago
First, this issue has nothing to do with what Carney is talking about, second - nobody in Canada wants anything to with your 'ethno nationalist wars', third - the frequency with which this issue is brought up and pigeon-holed into everything is absurd, but fourth - and most critically - you're lying: the 'murderers' by all accounts were Indian nationals and the link you provided literally indicates that 'Karan Brar, age 22, Kamal Preet Singh, age 22, and Karan Preet Singh, age 28' arrested for murder - are Indian Nationals on temporary visas in Canada.
- qart 9mo ago
  > nobody in Canada wants anything to with your 'ethno nationalist wars' Absurd. These are YOUR 'ethno nationalist wars' because your country has given them a safe haven. This problem does not exist in India. Not one Sikh I know sympathizes with these separatists, and I have plenty of Sikh friends, been to their homes, been to their hometowns.
  - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
    > This problem does not exist in India. Not one Sikh I know sympathizes with these separatists Then problem solved! If there are no separatists there is nobody to offer asylum to!
    - qart 9mo ago
      It is that simple. Canada is not learning. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G76aXJOWkAA4CNy?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G76aXJOWkAA4CNy?format=jpg&name=...
      - alephnerd 9mo ago
        Most of the asylum claims came before CY2025, which is when the false asylum crackdown began in Canada [0]. A major issue was the Truduea-era diplomatic spat that led to the expulsion of Canadian [1] and Indian [2] diplomatic staff who cooperated on background checks along with an MP in Punjab who ran a "cash for asylum claim" racket [3]. After Carney became PM and Anand became MFA, the Canada-India relationship went back on track, and Trudeau era appointees were largely sidelined. [0] - https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/canada-courts-turn-down-asylum-claims-linked-to-khalistan-activism-10382906/ https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/canada-c... [1] - https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2024/10/minister-joly-announces-expulsion-of-indian-diplomats-related-to-ongoing-investigation-on-violent-criminal-activity-linked-to-the-government-of-india.html https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2024/10/ministe... [2] - https://www.mea.gov.in/press-releases.htm?dtl/38420/India+expels+Canadian+diplomats https://www.mea.gov.in/press-releases.htm?dtl/38420/India+ex... [3] - https://theprint.in/ground-reports/punjabi-illegal-migration-to-us-relies-on-asylum-letters-and-one-mp-is-doling-them-out/1550639/?amp https://theprint.in/ground-reports/punjabi-illegal-migration...

by qart 9mo ago

rfrey 9mo ago

Are you saying a "Canadian Terrorist" murdered Nijjar? The article you link says nothing about any country (except India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka) disputing Canada's claim.

qart 9mo ago
Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalistan_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalistan_movement is not a significant movement in India. I have plenty of connections with Sikhs and Sikhism in India. Apart from a very tiny minority of people, who quickly set off to Canada, this movement does not exist in India. They are courted by Canadian parliamentarians, which included Trudeau. This book has more details about the movement: https://www.amazon.in/Blood-Fifty-Global-Khalistan-Project/dp/935422766X https://www.amazon.in/Blood-Fifty-Global-Khalistan-Project/d...
- rfrey 9mo ago
  If it's such an insignificant movement, it's curious why India saw fit to assassinate a Canadian on Canadian soil. A claim that as near as I can tell only India and its surrogates (such as yourself, it seems) dispute.
  - qart 9mo ago
    > If it's such an insignificant movement It is a significant movement in Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 Also, the veracity of a claim does not depend on who is making it or who is disputing it. The accusing investigation agency has do a proper investigation and submit proofs and ask for extradition.
    - rfrey 8mo ago
      Yes, Canadian investigators should have gone to India to investigate and build a case against the Indian government. That would have worked well. Several countries examined Canada's evidence and found it satisfactory. Your government conducted an extra judicial execution of a Canadian citizen on Canadian territory. You are the baddies, even if your government assures you of the opposite.
      - qart 8mo ago
        You are resistant to all the actual information I have provided you. Your terrorists are killing more of your own citizens. But, I suppose Indian government should straightaway accept guilt for all such murders including that of Harjeet Singh Dhadda and an upstanding citizen Harpreet Singh Uppal. Mark Carney is cosying up to the same Indian government. I wonder which strategy of Carney will work on you: supply kool-aid or pretend there was never any problem. I'm betting on the latter.

gruez 9mo ago

>It basically meant Trudeau could level allegations, not provide any evidence, and strut as if he as won. Canada's case was well corroborated by US and UK intelligence. India's claims of Mr Nijjar of being a terrorist was not. >But nothing in the evidence India presented, the people say, met the standard for criminal charges in Canada, let alone for extradition. To press their case, officials in New Delhi frequently sent clippings from Indian media, which was rife with lurid stories about Nijjar’s alleged involvement in violence, instead of providing what the process required: hard evidence, obtained without coercion, that would stand up in a Western courtroom. When that didn’t work, the people say, the Indians suggested that Canadian police find a way to concoct the necessary evidence. https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2025-india-sikh-separatist-deaths/ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2025-india-sikh-separatis...

qart 9mo ago
> India's claims of Mr Nijjar of being a terrorist was not. But I'm not talking about this claim. I'm talking about the fact that Trudeau accused the Indian government being responsible for his murder. The onus was always on the Canadian government to prove it. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-indian-government-nijjar-1.6970498 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-indian-government-n...
- gruez 9mo ago
  So bringing up an off topic comment about the Canadian government is fair game, but bring up a rebuttal from the Indian government is not?
  - qart 9mo ago
    Calling out hypocrisy is fair game. What rebuttal? Why even talk about irrelevant "clippings"? On whom is the onus of providing evidence?

bluegatty 9mo ago

First, this issue has nothing to do with what Carney is talking about, second - nobody in Canada wants anything to with your 'ethno nationalist wars', third - the frequency with which this issue is brought up and pigeon-holed into everything is absurd, but fourth - and most critically - you're lying: the 'murderers' by all accounts were Indian nationals and the link you provided literally indicates that 'Karan Brar, age 22, Kamal Preet Singh, age 22, and Karan Preet Singh, age 28' arrested for murder - are Indian Nationals on temporary visas in Canada.

qart 9mo ago
> nobody in Canada wants anything to with your 'ethno nationalist wars' Absurd. These are YOUR 'ethno nationalist wars' because your country has given them a safe haven. This problem does not exist in India. Not one Sikh I know sympathizes with these separatists, and I have plenty of Sikh friends, been to their homes, been to their hometowns.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
  > This problem does not exist in India. Not one Sikh I know sympathizes with these separatists Then problem solved! If there are no separatists there is nobody to offer asylum to!
  - qart 9mo ago
    It is that simple. Canada is not learning. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G76aXJOWkAA4CNy?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G76aXJOWkAA4CNy?format=jpg&name=...
    - alephnerd 9mo ago
      Most of the asylum claims came before CY2025, which is when the false asylum crackdown began in Canada [0]. A major issue was the Truduea-era diplomatic spat that led to the expulsion of Canadian [1] and Indian [2] diplomatic staff who cooperated on background checks along with an MP in Punjab who ran a "cash for asylum claim" racket [3]. After Carney became PM and Anand became MFA, the Canada-India relationship went back on track, and Trudeau era appointees were largely sidelined. [0] - https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/canada-courts-turn-down-asylum-claims-linked-to-khalistan-activism-10382906/ https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/canada-c... [1] - https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2024/10/minister-joly-announces-expulsion-of-indian-diplomats-related-to-ongoing-investigation-on-violent-criminal-activity-linked-to-the-government-of-india.html https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2024/10/ministe... [2] - https://www.mea.gov.in/press-releases.htm?dtl/38420/India+expels+Canadian+diplomats https://www.mea.gov.in/press-releases.htm?dtl/38420/India+ex... [3] - https://theprint.in/ground-reports/punjabi-illegal-migration-to-us-relies-on-asylum-letters-and-one-mp-is-doling-them-out/1550639/?amp https://theprint.in/ground-reports/punjabi-illegal-migration...