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the current world split starts to eerily look, while still far from it of course, like the 1939 split in Europe - totalitarian regimes of Stalin and Hitler alli

by trhway 9mo ago

the current world split starts to eerily look, while still far from it of course, like the 1939 split in Europe - totalitarian regimes of Stalin and Hitler allied together against Europe's democratic countries. Here we have authoritarian leaning Trump starting to ally himself with totalitarian Putin and China against democratic countries by dividing the world in very similar way as Stalin and Hitler divided Europe between themselves.

JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
> current world split starts to eerily look, while still far from it of course, like the 1939 split in Europe I’m seeing the Sino-Soviet split. Europe might have a unique opportunity to ally with China to pry it from Russia. America gets the Western Hemisphere. Eurasia contains itself.
- aebtebeten 9mo ago
  > Europe might have a unique opportunity to ally with China to pry it from Russia Sounds like it could be promising, but how in that world do you get containers back and forth between Europe and China, given that USEUCOM could mine Gibraltar; USCENTCOM, Suez and Aden; and USINDOPACOM, Malacca? (My personal optimistic view atm is an independent free-trading armed-neutral european block which is sufficiently valuable that any move by one of the three major powers to bring it under their bloc will naturally be countered by the other two) "Optimists practise speaking Cantonese, pessimists— speaking Russian, realists— stripping and reassembling rifles"?
  - trhway 9mo ago
    These days in Russian schools for the “Motherland defense” classes they officially included drones in addition to rifles.
  - gsf_emergency_6 9mo ago
    Given that Hanoi is gonna leapfrog Shenzhen anytime now, may I predict that the optimist get up to speed on some gallic^W portuguese-orthographed (old-)Yue-based murine cant? https://archive.ph/2025.07.19-083802/https://www.hk01.com/%E8%81%B7%E5%A0%B4/60248906/%E5%81%87%E8%A3%9D%E4%B8%8A%E7%8F%AD%E5%85%AC%E5%8F%B8-%E9%A2%A8%E9%9D%A1%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E5%A4%9A%E5%9C%B0-%E7%82%BA%E5%AE%89%E6%92%AB%E7%88%B6%E6%AF%8D-%E6%9B%B4%E7%82%BA%E9%81%AE%E6%8E%A9%E4%B8%80%E7%A8%AE%E7%BE%9E%E6%81%A5%E6%84%9F#:~:text=%E9%80%99%E4%B8%80%E6%A6%82%E5%BF%B5%E6%9C%80%E6%97%A9%E6%BA%90%E8%87%AA%E4%BF%84%E7%BE%85%E6%96%AF%EF%BC%8C%E9%80%9A%E9%81%8E%E7%9F%AD%E7%89%87%E5%82%B3%E5%85%A5%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E5%BE%8C%EF%BC%8C https://archive.ph/2025.07.19-083802/https://www.hk01.com/%E... Ps: troll me harder with the birefringence bro! Not feeling it! https://youtu.be/O9o0Fwuc57A?t=33m36s https://youtu.be/O9o0Fwuc57A?t=33m36s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Yue_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Yue_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawndip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawndip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%E1%BB%AF_N%C3%B4m https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%E1%BB%AF_N%C3%B4m
    - aebtebeten 9mo ago
      birefringence -> cloud dial ("I only count the cloudy hours") back from the days of "turn on tune in drop out": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eWqdLTii-I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eWqdLTii-I Generation 2 "P"hút Hơn? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnUhhuPOiNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnUhhuPOiNE Hà Nội seems like it would benefit from getting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Canal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Canal off (out of) the ground?
      - gsf_emergency_6 9mo ago
        My contribution to your Shannon level play is: "Show HN: Sun Dial that works only on cloudy days" Also interested to see where you are going to host that :)
    - aebtebeten 9mo ago
      「但它去哪裡打個洞，其實都不太會被關注。」 — thanks to the mods, who called out my numeric ex-handle yet have not deigned to comment on all the burrowing :-) 「...也沒有家庭托舉...」 — does this refer to financial, or emotional, support? I see Hainan has not only PLAN, but also a plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Free_Trade_Port https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Free_Trade_Port ; I guess that trade has yet to materialise?
      - gsf_emergency_6 9mo ago
        There's a chengyu 旁观者清 Hainan is CPC's attempt to check the role of Stanford (latter being just as far from the Imperator). Hanoi has VNU+bros (globalist Saint had a stint, already has one Fields' etc) Thai Canal would do more for HCMC? Not to mention they are already light years ahead in propaganda, as you^W all note :) (Aside now is EU's best chance to pry Iran away, but Stanford affiliated folks are asleep as usual. reversing Brexit might be harder? ;)
jmyeet 9mo ago
This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what happened in WW2. The tl'dr is Hitler lost, fascism won. Germany only became a national project in the 19th century. It was a collection of principalities before that. Unlike its neighbours, who were actual Great Powers at the time, it lacked colonial interests to exploit and get rich from. And then when oil became important in the early 20th century, Germany didn't have access to oil. So Germany felt like it would get swallowed up by its neighbours at some point and sought to assert its dominance, throwing away the Bismarck order. When scores were settled, Germany was punished with devastating reparations that laid the groundwork for WW2 and, on the side, countries like Britain secured their oil interests in the Middle East. Post-WWI brought the Spanish flu (pandemic anyone?), hyperinflation to Germany, a badly attempted coup (the Beer Hall Putsch; sound familiar?) and the rise of a populist fascist who blamed all of Germany's problems on undesirables, Jews and Communists (any modern parallels, at all?). Europe had entered an era of appeasement, desperately seeking to not repeat the "Great War". Reunification of German peoples was used as an excuse to seize all sorts of land. Now Stalin tried to warn Britain and France of the dangers of Hitler and form an alliance in 1939, which failed [1]. So instead Stalin formed what you'd have to call an uneasy alliance with Hitler. WW2 breaks out, yada yada yada, Hitler betrays Stalin and Stalin basically defeated Hitler at a terrible cost. The US had 400k casulaties in the European theater of WW2. The estimates for Soviet military and civilian losses in the same period are between 26 and 29 million. Where FDR had sought to rebalance the inequalities in the Depression and created lasting legacies we depend on today such as Social Security, Truman decided Communism was the enemy and, as such, the USSR was the Great Enemy, a decision that led directly to the Korean and Vietnam Wars and other smaller conflicts. And who would be good at killing Communists? Nazis of course. Operation Paperclip is well known. Less well known is how hudnreds if not thousands of former Nazis were forgiven their "moral lapses" and joined the ranks of the CIA, the FBI and NATO as well as the new West German military command [2]. Hitler and Stalin were fundamentally different beasts. I'm not saying Stalin was a good guy. He commited his share of atrocities. So did every American president if we're keeping score. But one thing Stalin was really good at was killing Nazis. So began almost 50 years of Cold War that saw the Red Scare and the near complete destruction of any form of organized labor in the US. All to fight Communism. I say "fascism won" because the Nazis weren't wiped out and we're seeing fascism reborn in the US and Europe while people who survived the Holocaust are still alive. That's how little time it took. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_alliance_negotiations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_alliance_negotiations [2]: https://www.npr.org/2014/11/05/361427276/how-thousands-of-nazis-were-rewarded-with-life-in-the-u-s https://www.npr.org/2014/11/05/361427276/how-thousands-of-na...
tasuki 9mo ago
> Here we have authoritarian leaning Trump starting to ally himself with totalitarian Putin and China against democratic countries I haven't seen Trump allying himself with China. Any references?
- Erem 9mo ago
  It’s more looked like lavishing praise on their leader than allying himself with the country. There are some representative quotes here https://www.belfercenter.org/programs/thucydidess-trap/representative-quotations-president-trump-president-xi-and-china https://www.belfercenter.org/programs/thucydidess-trap/repre...
  - netsharc 9mo ago
    Xi Jinping is probably gleeful, if he can manipulate that moron he'd have USA under his control. Putin already needs his support for Ukraine, add USA and he'd gain the title of the most powerful person on the planet. But considering Trump is an uncontrollable toddler, I guess he knows that's a title he can never keep..
  - tasuki 9mo ago
    Thanks. Very interesting quotes... > He controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist. He’s a brilliant guy whether you like it or not. > He’s now president for life. President for life. No, he’s great. And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot some day. Best of luck, America!

by trhway 9mo ago

JumpCrisscross 9mo ago

> current world split starts to eerily look, while still far from it of course, like the 1939 split in Europe I’m seeing the Sino-Soviet split. Europe might have a unique opportunity to ally with China to pry it from Russia. America gets the Western Hemisphere. Eurasia contains itself.

aebtebeten 9mo ago
> Europe might have a unique opportunity to ally with China to pry it from Russia Sounds like it could be promising, but how in that world do you get containers back and forth between Europe and China, given that USEUCOM could mine Gibraltar; USCENTCOM, Suez and Aden; and USINDOPACOM, Malacca? (My personal optimistic view atm is an independent free-trading armed-neutral european block which is sufficiently valuable that any move by one of the three major powers to bring it under their bloc will naturally be countered by the other two) "Optimists practise speaking Cantonese, pessimists— speaking Russian, realists— stripping and reassembling rifles"?
- trhway 9mo ago
  These days in Russian schools for the “Motherland defense” classes they officially included drones in addition to rifles.
- gsf_emergency_6 9mo ago
  Given that Hanoi is gonna leapfrog Shenzhen anytime now, may I predict that the optimist get up to speed on some gallic^W portuguese-orthographed (old-)Yue-based murine cant? https://archive.ph/2025.07.19-083802/https://www.hk01.com/%E8%81%B7%E5%A0%B4/60248906/%E5%81%87%E8%A3%9D%E4%B8%8A%E7%8F%AD%E5%85%AC%E5%8F%B8-%E9%A2%A8%E9%9D%A1%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E5%A4%9A%E5%9C%B0-%E7%82%BA%E5%AE%89%E6%92%AB%E7%88%B6%E6%AF%8D-%E6%9B%B4%E7%82%BA%E9%81%AE%E6%8E%A9%E4%B8%80%E7%A8%AE%E7%BE%9E%E6%81%A5%E6%84%9F#:~:text=%E9%80%99%E4%B8%80%E6%A6%82%E5%BF%B5%E6%9C%80%E6%97%A9%E6%BA%90%E8%87%AA%E4%BF%84%E7%BE%85%E6%96%AF%EF%BC%8C%E9%80%9A%E9%81%8E%E7%9F%AD%E7%89%87%E5%82%B3%E5%85%A5%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E5%BE%8C%EF%BC%8C https://archive.ph/2025.07.19-083802/https://www.hk01.com/%E... Ps: troll me harder with the birefringence bro! Not feeling it! https://youtu.be/O9o0Fwuc57A?t=33m36s https://youtu.be/O9o0Fwuc57A?t=33m36s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Yue_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Yue_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawndip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawndip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%E1%BB%AF_N%C3%B4m https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%E1%BB%AF_N%C3%B4m
  - aebtebeten 9mo ago
    birefringence -> cloud dial ("I only count the cloudy hours") back from the days of "turn on tune in drop out": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eWqdLTii-I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eWqdLTii-I Generation 2 "P"hút Hơn? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnUhhuPOiNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnUhhuPOiNE Hà Nội seems like it would benefit from getting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Canal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Canal off (out of) the ground?
    - gsf_emergency_6 9mo ago
      My contribution to your Shannon level play is: "Show HN: Sun Dial that works only on cloudy days" Also interested to see where you are going to host that :)
  - aebtebeten 9mo ago
    「但它去哪裡打個洞，其實都不太會被關注。」 — thanks to the mods, who called out my numeric ex-handle yet have not deigned to comment on all the burrowing :-) 「...也沒有家庭托舉...」 — does this refer to financial, or emotional, support? I see Hainan has not only PLAN, but also a plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Free_Trade_Port https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Free_Trade_Port ; I guess that trade has yet to materialise?
    - gsf_emergency_6 9mo ago
      There's a chengyu 旁观者清 Hainan is CPC's attempt to check the role of Stanford (latter being just as far from the Imperator). Hanoi has VNU+bros (globalist Saint had a stint, already has one Fields' etc) Thai Canal would do more for HCMC? Not to mention they are already light years ahead in propaganda, as you^W all note :) (Aside now is EU's best chance to pry Iran away, but Stanford affiliated folks are asleep as usual. reversing Brexit might be harder? ;)

jmyeet 9mo ago

This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what happened in WW2. The tl'dr is Hitler lost, fascism won. Germany only became a national project in the 19th century. It was a collection of principalities before that. Unlike its neighbours, who were actual Great Powers at the time, it lacked colonial interests to exploit and get rich from. And then when oil became important in the early 20th century, Germany didn't have access to oil. So Germany felt like it would get swallowed up by its neighbours at some point and sought to assert its dominance, throwing away the Bismarck order. When scores were settled, Germany was punished with devastating reparations that laid the groundwork for WW2 and, on the side, countries like Britain secured their oil interests in the Middle East. Post-WWI brought the Spanish flu (pandemic anyone?), hyperinflation to Germany, a badly attempted coup (the Beer Hall Putsch; sound familiar?) and the rise of a populist fascist who blamed all of Germany's problems on undesirables, Jews and Communists (any modern parallels, at all?). Europe had entered an era of appeasement, desperately seeking to not repeat the "Great War". Reunification of German peoples was used as an excuse to seize all sorts of land. Now Stalin tried to warn Britain and France of the dangers of Hitler and form an alliance in 1939, which failed [1]. So instead Stalin formed what you'd have to call an uneasy alliance with Hitler. WW2 breaks out, yada yada yada, Hitler betrays Stalin and Stalin basically defeated Hitler at a terrible cost. The US had 400k casulaties in the European theater of WW2. The estimates for Soviet military and civilian losses in the same period are between 26 and 29 million. Where FDR had sought to rebalance the inequalities in the Depression and created lasting legacies we depend on today such as Social Security, Truman decided Communism was the enemy and, as such, the USSR was the Great Enemy, a decision that led directly to the Korean and Vietnam Wars and other smaller conflicts. And who would be good at killing Communists? Nazis of course. Operation Paperclip is well known. Less well known is how hudnreds if not thousands of former Nazis were forgiven their "moral lapses" and joined the ranks of the CIA, the FBI and NATO as well as the new West German military command [2]. Hitler and Stalin were fundamentally different beasts. I'm not saying Stalin was a good guy. He commited his share of atrocities. So did every American president if we're keeping score. But one thing Stalin was really good at was killing Nazis. So began almost 50 years of Cold War that saw the Red Scare and the near complete destruction of any form of organized labor in the US. All to fight Communism. I say "fascism won" because the Nazis weren't wiped out and we're seeing fascism reborn in the US and Europe while people who survived the Holocaust are still alive. That's how little time it took. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_alliance_negotiations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_alliance_negotiations [2]: https://www.npr.org/2014/11/05/361427276/how-thousands-of-nazis-were-rewarded-with-life-in-the-u-s https://www.npr.org/2014/11/05/361427276/how-thousands-of-na...

tasuki 9mo ago

> Here we have authoritarian leaning Trump starting to ally himself with totalitarian Putin and China against democratic countries I haven't seen Trump allying himself with China. Any references?

Erem 9mo ago
It’s more looked like lavishing praise on their leader than allying himself with the country. There are some representative quotes here https://www.belfercenter.org/programs/thucydidess-trap/representative-quotations-president-trump-president-xi-and-china https://www.belfercenter.org/programs/thucydidess-trap/repre...
- netsharc 9mo ago
  Xi Jinping is probably gleeful, if he can manipulate that moron he'd have USA under his control. Putin already needs his support for Ukraine, add USA and he'd gain the title of the most powerful person on the planet. But considering Trump is an uncontrollable toddler, I guess he knows that's a title he can never keep..
- tasuki 9mo ago
  Thanks. Very interesting quotes... > He controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist. He’s a brilliant guy whether you like it or not. > He’s now president for life. President for life. No, he’s great. And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot some day. Best of luck, America!