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That seems overly reductive. He won because: - the NDP and the CPC were both led by deeply unpopular leaders: Jagmeet Singh the silk clad, Rolex-wearing self
by stackghost 8mo ago
That seems overly reductive.
He won because:
- the NDP and the CPC were both led by deeply unpopular leaders: Jagmeet Singh the silk clad, Rolex-wearing self styled "man of the people" and Pierre Poilievre who is so dislikeable he routinely polls double digits below his party
- Trump threatening to collapse the Canadian economy and/or annex us by force
- Flat economic growth
- Carney's credentials on the economy being unparalleled in Canadian politics (see previous point)
- Voters tired of the far-left big government nanny state philosophy that was the hallmark of the Trudeau governments and Carney successfully presented himself as a centrist
Interestingly, Carney was appointed to the Bank of Canada by a Conservative PM and I'd argue he's got a similar appeal that Trump initially had, but for different reasons: Trump positioned himself as an outsider, and Carney is similarly not a career politician. By contrast his only real challenger (Poilievre) hasn't had a real job in his life and has been living on the taxpayer's dime his entire career.
I think voters in both the US and Canada are sick of slimy politicians.
(Edit: can't reply because rate limited, better go back to pointless discussions about JavaScript. My usage of "far left" should be understood as being relative to the Canadian political spectrum. Justin Trudeau was definitely a very left-leaning PM by any rational measure)
- b00ty4breakfast 8mo ago>Voters tired of the far-left big government.... Ah, yes; that communist fiend, Justin "Al Jolson" Trudeau, seizing all those means and abolishing hierarchies and redistributing the wealth.
- stackghost 8mo ago[flagged]
- phoobahr 8mo agoImmaterial - no liberal government in Canada could be said to be “far left”.
- lanfeust6 8mo agoIn terms of social issues, he could not be much further left
- rjrjrjrj 8mo agoWell, there’s the entire NDP…
- canadiantim 8mo agoWhich he had a supply and confidence agreement with because they were indistinguishable during Trudeau’s reign.
- rjrjrjrj 8mo agoFirst Trudeau government was a majority; confidence and supply was in effect only 2022-4.
- lanfeust6 8mo agoTrudeau outflanked the NDP if you recall the election vs Mulcair, who I liked. Singh for his part did not sound deviate much from Trudeau on social issues.
- b00ty4breakfast 8mo agosubstitute "communist" for "far-left" and the point still stands. No government in Canada has ever, EVER been far-left unless your definition of "far-left" is welfare capitalism.
- grebc 8mo agoThere’s probably too much nuance in your answer for most, but thank you for taking the time to write it down. It’s always interesting to read some thoughtful opinions, especially as an outsider(Australian) looking in.
- YZF 8mo agoYou're right that PP doesn't have great polls: https://angusreid.org/federal-politics-poilievre-favourability-hits-lowest-point-of-his-leadership-carney-approval/ https://angusreid.org/federal-politics-poilievre-favourabili... But he polled better than Trudeau: https://angusreid.org/trudeau-tracker/ https://angusreid.org/trudeau-tracker/ CPC was firmly in the lead for the elections before Trumps' attention to Canada and the Liberals jumping on this to frame PP as another Trump or someone who would yield to Trump, both couldn't be farther away from his actual policy stances, but in the age of social media (and I guess major government owned media that does its bidding) that doesn't matter.
- jeromegv 8mo agoWhat mattered was that Pollievre waited weeks to defend Canada against the US threats. That scared a lot of voters. Showed us who he really was.
- YZF 8mo agoThat's not my recollection of the events. I think "showed us who he really was" is just the FUD spread by the Liberals. I have left leaning friends and their opinions of PP are totally disconnected from the reality of what he says and does, they are just repeating the talking points they get from their circle. Nobody wants to debate actual policy and basically we ended up with a different conservative, Carney, whose actual policies are in my opinion iffy ans his performance the same. Scare tactics are easier than policy debate.