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He only won because trump said he wanted to make Canada the 51st state and the opposition party didn’t pivot or adjust their campaign to Trump’s rhetoric.

stackghost 9mo ago
That seems overly reductive. He won because: - the NDP and the CPC were both led by deeply unpopular leaders: Jagmeet Singh the silk clad, Rolex-wearing self styled "man of the people" and Pierre Poilievre who is so dislikeable he routinely polls double digits below his party - Trump threatening to collapse the Canadian economy and/or annex us by force - Flat economic growth - Carney's credentials on the economy being unparalleled in Canadian politics (see previous point) - Voters tired of the far-left big government nanny state philosophy that was the hallmark of the Trudeau governments and Carney successfully presented himself as a centrist Interestingly, Carney was appointed to the Bank of Canada by a Conservative PM and I'd argue he's got a similar appeal that Trump initially had, but for different reasons: Trump positioned himself as an outsider, and Carney is similarly not a career politician. By contrast his only real challenger (Poilievre) hasn't had a real job in his life and has been living on the taxpayer's dime his entire career. I think voters in both the US and Canada are sick of slimy politicians. (Edit: can't reply because rate limited, better go back to pointless discussions about JavaScript. My usage of "far left" should be understood as being relative to the Canadian political spectrum. Justin Trudeau was definitely a very left-leaning PM by any rational measure)
- b00ty4breakfast 9mo ago
  >Voters tired of the far-left big government.... Ah, yes; that communist fiend, Justin "Al Jolson" Trudeau, seizing all those means and abolishing hierarchies and redistributing the wealth.
  - stackghost 9mo ago
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    - phoobahr 9mo ago
      Immaterial - no liberal government in Canada could be said to be “far left”.
      - lanfeust6 9mo ago
        In terms of social issues, he could not be much further left
        rjrjrjrj 9mo ago
        Well, there’s the entire NDP…
        canadiantim 9mo ago
        Which he had a supply and confidence agreement with because they were indistinguishable during Trudeau’s reign.
        rjrjrjrj 9mo ago
        First Trudeau government was a majority; confidence and supply was in effect only 2022-4.
        lanfeust6 9mo ago
        Trudeau outflanked the NDP if you recall the election vs Mulcair, who I liked. Singh for his part did not sound deviate much from Trudeau on social issues.
    - b00ty4breakfast 9mo ago
      substitute "communist" for "far-left" and the point still stands. No government in Canada has ever, EVER been far-left unless your definition of "far-left" is welfare capitalism.
- grebc 9mo ago
  There’s probably too much nuance in your answer for most, but thank you for taking the time to write it down. It’s always interesting to read some thoughtful opinions, especially as an outsider(Australian) looking in.
- YZF 9mo ago
  You're right that PP doesn't have great polls: https://angusreid.org/federal-politics-poilievre-favourability-hits-lowest-point-of-his-leadership-carney-approval/ https://angusreid.org/federal-politics-poilievre-favourabili... But he polled better than Trudeau: https://angusreid.org/trudeau-tracker/ https://angusreid.org/trudeau-tracker/ CPC was firmly in the lead for the elections before Trumps' attention to Canada and the Liberals jumping on this to frame PP as another Trump or someone who would yield to Trump, both couldn't be farther away from his actual policy stances, but in the age of social media (and I guess major government owned media that does its bidding) that doesn't matter.
  - jeromegv 9mo ago
    What mattered was that Pollievre waited weeks to defend Canada against the US threats. That scared a lot of voters. Showed us who he really was.
    - YZF 9mo ago
      That's not my recollection of the events. I think "showed us who he really was" is just the FUD spread by the Liberals. I have left leaning friends and their opinions of PP are totally disconnected from the reality of what he says and does, they are just repeating the talking points they get from their circle. Nobody wants to debate actual policy and basically we ended up with a different conservative, Carney, whose actual policies are in my opinion iffy ans his performance the same. Scare tactics are easier than policy debate.
eli_gottlieb 9mo ago
Consider that Trump is enough of a fucking lunatic that Canadians voted for the party of Justin Trudeau again.
jeromegv 9mo ago
I mean… we elect leaders to represent us and protect our country. If the other guy looked like he was willing to give the country away, well, that means he wasn’t the best person for the job. Trump rhetoric just showed us how ready Pierre Pollievre was to lead us: aka, he wasn’t.
- canadiantim 9mo ago
  Arguably we don’t actually vote for leaders in Canada as much as we vote against leaders.

stackghost 9mo ago

That seems overly reductive. He won because: - the NDP and the CPC were both led by deeply unpopular leaders: Jagmeet Singh the silk clad, Rolex-wearing self styled "man of the people" and Pierre Poilievre who is so dislikeable he routinely polls double digits below his party - Trump threatening to collapse the Canadian economy and/or annex us by force - Flat economic growth - Carney's credentials on the economy being unparalleled in Canadian politics (see previous point) - Voters tired of the far-left big government nanny state philosophy that was the hallmark of the Trudeau governments and Carney successfully presented himself as a centrist Interestingly, Carney was appointed to the Bank of Canada by a Conservative PM and I'd argue he's got a similar appeal that Trump initially had, but for different reasons: Trump positioned himself as an outsider, and Carney is similarly not a career politician. By contrast his only real challenger (Poilievre) hasn't had a real job in his life and has been living on the taxpayer's dime his entire career. I think voters in both the US and Canada are sick of slimy politicians. (Edit: can't reply because rate limited, better go back to pointless discussions about JavaScript. My usage of "far left" should be understood as being relative to the Canadian political spectrum. Justin Trudeau was definitely a very left-leaning PM by any rational measure)

b00ty4breakfast 9mo ago
>Voters tired of the far-left big government.... Ah, yes; that communist fiend, Justin "Al Jolson" Trudeau, seizing all those means and abolishing hierarchies and redistributing the wealth.
- stackghost 9mo ago
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  - phoobahr 9mo ago
    Immaterial - no liberal government in Canada could be said to be “far left”.
    - lanfeust6 9mo ago
      In terms of social issues, he could not be much further left
      - rjrjrjrj 9mo ago
        Well, there’s the entire NDP…
        canadiantim 9mo ago
        Which he had a supply and confidence agreement with because they were indistinguishable during Trudeau’s reign.
        rjrjrjrj 9mo ago
        First Trudeau government was a majority; confidence and supply was in effect only 2022-4.
        lanfeust6 9mo ago
        Trudeau outflanked the NDP if you recall the election vs Mulcair, who I liked. Singh for his part did not sound deviate much from Trudeau on social issues.
  - b00ty4breakfast 9mo ago
    substitute "communist" for "far-left" and the point still stands. No government in Canada has ever, EVER been far-left unless your definition of "far-left" is welfare capitalism.
grebc 9mo ago
There’s probably too much nuance in your answer for most, but thank you for taking the time to write it down. It’s always interesting to read some thoughtful opinions, especially as an outsider(Australian) looking in.
YZF 9mo ago
You're right that PP doesn't have great polls: https://angusreid.org/federal-politics-poilievre-favourability-hits-lowest-point-of-his-leadership-carney-approval/ https://angusreid.org/federal-politics-poilievre-favourabili... But he polled better than Trudeau: https://angusreid.org/trudeau-tracker/ https://angusreid.org/trudeau-tracker/ CPC was firmly in the lead for the elections before Trumps' attention to Canada and the Liberals jumping on this to frame PP as another Trump or someone who would yield to Trump, both couldn't be farther away from his actual policy stances, but in the age of social media (and I guess major government owned media that does its bidding) that doesn't matter.
- jeromegv 9mo ago
  What mattered was that Pollievre waited weeks to defend Canada against the US threats. That scared a lot of voters. Showed us who he really was.
  - YZF 9mo ago
    That's not my recollection of the events. I think "showed us who he really was" is just the FUD spread by the Liberals. I have left leaning friends and their opinions of PP are totally disconnected from the reality of what he says and does, they are just repeating the talking points they get from their circle. Nobody wants to debate actual policy and basically we ended up with a different conservative, Carney, whose actual policies are in my opinion iffy ans his performance the same. Scare tactics are easier than policy debate.

eli_gottlieb 9mo ago

Consider that Trump is enough of a fucking lunatic that Canadians voted for the party of Justin Trudeau again.

jeromegv 9mo ago

I mean… we elect leaders to represent us and protect our country. If the other guy looked like he was willing to give the country away, well, that means he wasn’t the best person for the job. Trump rhetoric just showed us how ready Pierre Pollievre was to lead us: aka, he wasn’t.

canadiantim 9mo ago
Arguably we don’t actually vote for leaders in Canada as much as we vote against leaders.