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>behavioral and account-level signals, including how long an account has existed, typical times of day when someone is active, usage patterns over time, and a u

by sigmar 9mo ago

>behavioral and account-level signals, including how long an account has existed, typical times of day when someone is active, usage patterns over time, and a user’s stated age. Surely they're using "history of the user-inputted chat" as a signal and just choosing not to highlight that? Because that would make it so much easier to predict age.

zardo 9mo ago
Chat history would be a good signal to predict age until you give kids a reason to try to confound it.
- engineer_22 9mo ago
  Even more adults would be flagged as children.
- sigmar 9mo ago
  I, for one, would love to see the gen alphas tiktoking about what 401k questions to type into chatgpt
  - jedberg 9mo ago
    Anyone remember the game Leisure Suit Larry? To get the full 18+ experience, you had to answer five trivia questions that only adults should know. But it turns out smart teens who like trivia knew most of them too (and you could just ask mom and dad, they had no clue why you were asking which President appeared on Laugh In).
    - duskwuff 9mo ago
      Also, hilariously, a lot of those questions require a trip to Wikipedia (or a game guide) today. A lot of them reference bits of 1960s/1970s pop culture which are no longer common knowledge. https://allowe.com/games/larry/tips-manuals/lsl1-age-quiz.html https://allowe.com/games/larry/tips-manuals/lsl1-age-quiz.ht...
      - thaumasiotes 9mo ago
        A lot of them don't. Some appear to be specialized for children: > Peter Piper picked pickled (peppers) > How many molecules are there in a glass of water? (as many as there are) There's also this one: > Which is not a city in Mexico? (San Diego) which appears to have been false at the time, and is still false now.
      - lordgrenville 9mo ago
        This is fun, I asked AI to come up with some modern ones to check someone is over 30. Zune, Friends, early memes, Who Wants to be a Millionaire, etc https://chat.deepseek.com/share/v9d5ckb8gv9rahwetq https://chat.deepseek.com/share/v9d5ckb8gv9rahwetq
        astura 9mo ago
        >"Dental plan! Lisa needs braces!" is a workplace chant from... OMG, That's absolutely unhinged to describe something that takes place entirely in Homer's head as a "workplace chant."
    - esafak 9mo ago
      Spiro Agnew is a form of social disease, a jazz-fusion rock band, a former Vice President, the first woman in Congress?
Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
I also saw a reddit post once which showed that even if you type something and don't press enter, even that's logged in chatgpt SO I am pretty sure that they might be using that information as well. I don't see any reason for them not to. So if you wrote something to chatgpt and then removed it/ didn't ask it? Yea they might be using that history too.
- jacquesm 9mo ago
  Same goes for the google search box and many others like it. Every keystroke gets sent.
- embedding-shape 9mo ago
  Last time I checked, most invasive analytics platforms do this by default as soon as you integrate their libraries. Product managers are very hype-driven, and usually the reason stuff like that gets integrated in the first place. I think it's more common than not for the large platforms, to try to log everything that is happening + log stuff that isn't even happening.
  - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
    I don't really know but I don't think most people know it. I have had passwords accidentally be pasted into chatgpt if I were using my bitwarden password manager sometimes and then had them be removed and I thought I was okay It is scary that I am pretty familiar with tech and I knew it was possible but I thought that for privacy they wouldn't. I feel like the general public might be even more oblivious. Also a quick question but how long are the logs kept in OpenAI? And are the logs still taken even if you are in private mode?
    - embedding-shape 9mo ago
      > I don't really know but I don't think most people know it. That's for sure, most people don't know how much they're being tracked, even if we consider only inside the platform. Nowadays, lots of platforms literally log your mouse movements inside the page, so they can see exactly where you first landed, how you moved around on the page, where you navigated, how long you paused for, and much much more. Basically, if it can be logged and re-constructed, it will be. > Also a quick question but how long are the logs kept in OpenAI? And are the logs still taken even if you are in private mode? As far as I know right now, OpenAI is under legal obligation to log all of their ChatGPT chats, regardless of their own policies, but this was a while ago (this summer sometime?), maybe it's different today. What exactly you mean with "private mode"? If you mean "incognito/private window" in your browser, it has basically no impact on how much is logged by the platforms themselves, it's all about your local history. For the "temporary mode" in ChatGPT, I also think it has no impact on how much they log, it's just about not making that particular chat visible in your chat history, and them not using that data for training their model. Besides that, all the tracking in your browser still works the same way, AFAIK.

by sigmar 9mo ago

zardo 9mo ago

Chat history would be a good signal to predict age until you give kids a reason to try to confound it.

engineer_22 9mo ago
Even more adults would be flagged as children.
sigmar 9mo ago
I, for one, would love to see the gen alphas tiktoking about what 401k questions to type into chatgpt
- jedberg 9mo ago
  Anyone remember the game Leisure Suit Larry? To get the full 18+ experience, you had to answer five trivia questions that only adults should know. But it turns out smart teens who like trivia knew most of them too (and you could just ask mom and dad, they had no clue why you were asking which President appeared on Laugh In).
  - duskwuff 9mo ago
    Also, hilariously, a lot of those questions require a trip to Wikipedia (or a game guide) today. A lot of them reference bits of 1960s/1970s pop culture which are no longer common knowledge. https://allowe.com/games/larry/tips-manuals/lsl1-age-quiz.html https://allowe.com/games/larry/tips-manuals/lsl1-age-quiz.ht...
    - thaumasiotes 9mo ago
      A lot of them don't. Some appear to be specialized for children: > Peter Piper picked pickled (peppers) > How many molecules are there in a glass of water? (as many as there are) There's also this one: > Which is not a city in Mexico? (San Diego) which appears to have been false at the time, and is still false now.
    - lordgrenville 9mo ago
      This is fun, I asked AI to come up with some modern ones to check someone is over 30. Zune, Friends, early memes, Who Wants to be a Millionaire, etc https://chat.deepseek.com/share/v9d5ckb8gv9rahwetq https://chat.deepseek.com/share/v9d5ckb8gv9rahwetq
      - astura 9mo ago
        >"Dental plan! Lisa needs braces!" is a workplace chant from... OMG, That's absolutely unhinged to describe something that takes place entirely in Homer's head as a "workplace chant."
  - esafak 9mo ago
    Spiro Agnew is a form of social disease, a jazz-fusion rock band, a former Vice President, the first woman in Congress?

Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago

I also saw a reddit post once which showed that even if you type something and don't press enter, even that's logged in chatgpt SO I am pretty sure that they might be using that information as well. I don't see any reason for them not to. So if you wrote something to chatgpt and then removed it/ didn't ask it? Yea they might be using that history too.

jacquesm 9mo ago
Same goes for the google search box and many others like it. Every keystroke gets sent.
embedding-shape 9mo ago
Last time I checked, most invasive analytics platforms do this by default as soon as you integrate their libraries. Product managers are very hype-driven, and usually the reason stuff like that gets integrated in the first place. I think it's more common than not for the large platforms, to try to log everything that is happening + log stuff that isn't even happening.
- Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
  I don't really know but I don't think most people know it. I have had passwords accidentally be pasted into chatgpt if I were using my bitwarden password manager sometimes and then had them be removed and I thought I was okay It is scary that I am pretty familiar with tech and I knew it was possible but I thought that for privacy they wouldn't. I feel like the general public might be even more oblivious. Also a quick question but how long are the logs kept in OpenAI? And are the logs still taken even if you are in private mode?
  - embedding-shape 9mo ago
    > I don't really know but I don't think most people know it. That's for sure, most people don't know how much they're being tracked, even if we consider only inside the platform. Nowadays, lots of platforms literally log your mouse movements inside the page, so they can see exactly where you first landed, how you moved around on the page, where you navigated, how long you paused for, and much much more. Basically, if it can be logged and re-constructed, it will be. > Also a quick question but how long are the logs kept in OpenAI? And are the logs still taken even if you are in private mode? As far as I know right now, OpenAI is under legal obligation to log all of their ChatGPT chats, regardless of their own policies, but this was a while ago (this summer sometime?), maybe it's different today. What exactly you mean with "private mode"? If you mean "incognito/private window" in your browser, it has basically no impact on how much is logged by the platforms themselves, it's all about your local history. For the "temporary mode" in ChatGPT, I also think it has no impact on how much they log, it's just about not making that particular chat visible in your chat history, and them not using that data for training their model. Besides that, all the tracking in your browser still works the same way, AFAIK.