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The rest of the world is not going to be bullied into submission by one guy. If you can't take care of your own problem then eventually the world will turn away

by jacquesm 10mo ago

The rest of the world is not going to be bullied into submission by one guy. If you can't take care of your own problem then eventually the world will turn away from you. This has the obvious potential of spiraling out of control but Trump is first and foremost the responsibility of the US population. The rest of the world will pick up the pieces. But he needs to be kept inside the lines or he'll run into people who are not just going to say 'yes' to his every whim.

palmotea 10mo ago
But "not getting bullied" is and entirely different thing than thinking a US civil war would be a good thing for the world or "reduce the global threat" (which is just bonkers). Like, we're all amateurs on a web forum, but it's best to avoid monomaniacal, first-order thinking.
- jacquesm 10mo ago
  Nobody hopes for that other than some guys that think that crashing the US lets them pick up the pieces like it happened with the USSR but on a much larger scale. If you honestly believe that the EU wants the US to descend into civil war then you you have your parties grossly mixed up.
  - palmotea 10mo ago
    > If you honestly believe that the EU wants the US to descend into civil war then you you have your parties grossly mixed up. I don't think it does, but I'm not responding to them. I'm responding to someone who made a bonkers comment up-thread.
    - jacquesm 10mo ago
      I think they're seeing that against the alternative: a global war. Which is definitely one of the other options on the table right now.
      - palmotea 10mo ago
        > I think they're seeing that against the alternative: a global war. Which is definitely one of the other options on the table right now. Except that's not an either-or alternative. Even if the US had a civil war and somehow disappeared, other belligerent actors would be free to start conflicts that had been held back by US pressure. You still have your "global" war. Like if the US disintegrates right now, Europe can kiss all of Ukraine goodbye, and probably the Baltics, too. And even if somehow the US was the only problem (it's not), there's a decent chance that the end result of a civil war is a non-fragmented and even more belligerent US.

palmotea 10mo ago

But "not getting bullied" is and entirely different thing than thinking a US civil war would be a good thing for the world or "reduce the global threat" (which is just bonkers). Like, we're all amateurs on a web forum, but it's best to avoid monomaniacal, first-order thinking.

jacquesm 10mo ago
Nobody hopes for that other than some guys that think that crashing the US lets them pick up the pieces like it happened with the USSR but on a much larger scale. If you honestly believe that the EU wants the US to descend into civil war then you you have your parties grossly mixed up.
- palmotea 10mo ago
  > If you honestly believe that the EU wants the US to descend into civil war then you you have your parties grossly mixed up. I don't think it does, but I'm not responding to them. I'm responding to someone who made a bonkers comment up-thread.
  - jacquesm 10mo ago
    I think they're seeing that against the alternative: a global war. Which is definitely one of the other options on the table right now.
    - palmotea 10mo ago
      > I think they're seeing that against the alternative: a global war. Which is definitely one of the other options on the table right now. Except that's not an either-or alternative. Even if the US had a civil war and somehow disappeared, other belligerent actors would be free to start conflicts that had been held back by US pressure. You still have your "global" war. Like if the US disintegrates right now, Europe can kiss all of Ukraine goodbye, and probably the Baltics, too. And even if somehow the US was the only problem (it's not), there's a decent chance that the end result of a civil war is a non-fragmented and even more belligerent US.