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This sundering of US-European relationship feels like watching a trainwreck in slowmotion. It's all so stupid and avoidable. Is there really nothing that can be

by im3w1l 9mo ago

This sundering of US-European relationship feels like watching a trainwreck in slowmotion. It's all so stupid and avoidable. Is there really nothing that can be done?

kevin061 9mo ago
Democracy. The people have spoken. Americans wanted this.
- davesque 9mo ago
  Can people quit with this stupid argument? A thin majority of Americans voted for this during the election. If you follow the polls, the vast majority of American currently don't want this. Just stop with this "dumb Americans" dur dur nonsense. Those of us who have our heads screwed on straight are so sick of being blamed for this. The same thing could happen at any time in any country.
  - 4gotunameagain 9mo ago
    This is not true. First of all, this is the SECOND time this clown is elected. Secondly, 77,302,580 americans voted for trump. That is one in three. I am sorry you get blamed for this, I know you are not to blame. But you have to see how it looks from the outside, given the incredible effects it has had (most importantly, making millions lose faith in the world. And who knows what more to come.)
    - kevin061 9mo ago
      To add to this, the thing that really worries me is not that Trump is doing this, but the fact every single US has had the capacity to do this (Trump is proof of it), and the only thing holding back the US from self-immolation and destroying all their partnerships was decorum and being nice, but there were no actual mechanisms, laws, or tools to prevent POTUS from self-appointing himself as King of America, which is extremely worrying for what many people regarded as an advanced democracy.
  - DrScientist 9mo ago
    I understand, but it's also a bit rich coming from the US. When the US applies country level sanctions or goes to war in places like Gaza, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Cuba, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Iran - I don't see much thought given to it really not being the peoples fault. > The same thing could happen at any time in any country. Exactly.
petesergeant 9mo ago
The Supreme Court can rule Trump’s ability to unilaterally impose tariffs illegal (and they’ll be ruling one way or the other very very soon).
- anabab 9mo ago
  Are there mechanisms in place that will prevent them from delaying this decision until, say, 2029?
  - petesergeant 9mo ago
    Not really. They can say "we shouldn't have taken this"[0], they can decide the case in a way that doesn't really offer any precedent (eg: these are the wrong plaintiffs to have brought the case), or they can remand it back to a lower court for more info. Prediction markets seem to think there's a 70% chance they'll strike down the tariffs though. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissed_as_improvidently_granted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissed_as_improvidently_gra...
jacquesm 9mo ago
Of course there is. Less than 500 Americans can stop your nightmare tomorrow morning. If they just do their jobs.

by im3w1l 9mo ago

This sundering of US-European relationship feels like watching a trainwreck in slowmotion. It's all so stupid and avoidable. Is there really nothing that can be done?

kevin061 9mo ago

Democracy. The people have spoken. Americans wanted this.

davesque 9mo ago
Can people quit with this stupid argument? A thin majority of Americans voted for this during the election. If you follow the polls, the vast majority of American currently don't want this. Just stop with this "dumb Americans" dur dur nonsense. Those of us who have our heads screwed on straight are so sick of being blamed for this. The same thing could happen at any time in any country.
- 4gotunameagain 9mo ago
  This is not true. First of all, this is the SECOND time this clown is elected. Secondly, 77,302,580 americans voted for trump. That is one in three. I am sorry you get blamed for this, I know you are not to blame. But you have to see how it looks from the outside, given the incredible effects it has had (most importantly, making millions lose faith in the world. And who knows what more to come.)
  - kevin061 9mo ago
    To add to this, the thing that really worries me is not that Trump is doing this, but the fact every single US has had the capacity to do this (Trump is proof of it), and the only thing holding back the US from self-immolation and destroying all their partnerships was decorum and being nice, but there were no actual mechanisms, laws, or tools to prevent POTUS from self-appointing himself as King of America, which is extremely worrying for what many people regarded as an advanced democracy.
- DrScientist 9mo ago
  I understand, but it's also a bit rich coming from the US. When the US applies country level sanctions or goes to war in places like Gaza, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Cuba, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Iran - I don't see much thought given to it really not being the peoples fault. > The same thing could happen at any time in any country. Exactly.

petesergeant 9mo ago

The Supreme Court can rule Trump’s ability to unilaterally impose tariffs illegal (and they’ll be ruling one way or the other very very soon).

anabab 9mo ago
Are there mechanisms in place that will prevent them from delaying this decision until, say, 2029?
- petesergeant 9mo ago
  Not really. They can say "we shouldn't have taken this"[0], they can decide the case in a way that doesn't really offer any precedent (eg: these are the wrong plaintiffs to have brought the case), or they can remand it back to a lower court for more info. Prediction markets seem to think there's a 70% chance they'll strike down the tariffs though. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissed_as_improvidently_granted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissed_as_improvidently_gra...

jacquesm 9mo ago

Of course there is. Less than 500 Americans can stop your nightmare tomorrow morning. If they just do their jobs.