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It’s wishcasting. Some people just want to see dead Americans.

jacquesm 9mo ago
On the contrary. The ones that want to see dead Americans are currently sitting in the Whitehouse. Mostly because it won't be them on the receiving end of it and they get to plunder the country. Smaller cake, but more for me seems to be their motto.
- whimsicalism 9mo ago
  I think perhaps multiple people can want to see dead Americans. There is definitely a subtext of glee in this discussion of modern American civil war imo.
  - jacquesm 9mo ago
    Not with the Europeans that I know, they are all absolutely aghast at every single murder. It is one of the reasons EU countries are reluctant about participating in any war, they always hope to avoid it (and as a result sometimes get much larger ones...).
    - whimsicalism 9mo ago
      Hard for me to see anyone who says an American civil war is a best case scenario as not cheering for American deaths and I'm skeptical that this was written by an American as it sounds far too out of touch and 'wishcasty' as someone else said.
      - jacquesm 9mo ago
        I don't know exactly who you are referring to, which article/comment/?? do you refer to? You are skeptical that it was written by an American, but you have no proof that it was not? Do you know who did write it? Those guys in the Whitehouse, are they not American? They are the ones steering you straight off a cliff and quite literally anything - including civil war - could happen as a result of that.
        whimsicalism 9mo ago
        I'm referring to the initial comment I replied to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46693230 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46693230 ie. the comment this entire thread has been about. > you have no proof that it was not? In other comments on their profile, they refer to Americans as if they are someone other than themselves. Also, the belief that a civil war splitting up the US is likely within the next 5 years seems like a pretty big giveaway. > Those guys in the Whitehouse, are they not American? As I said, multiple people can want bad things. I'm painfully aware of what the current admin is doing to our global reputation and what they are risking with their current games - and there are still 3 years on the clock. Take care.
        jacquesm 9mo ago
        Whether it is likely or not has no bearing on whether they want that to happen. I don't want it to happen. I still think it is not entirely unlikely. But that's not on the observers. It's going to be a very long three years. Or a very short one. That choice is not up to the rest of the world but up to the USA.
      - Teever 9mo ago
        America has threatened to invade allies. From the perspective of these allies it is better that American descends into a small civil war and sorts this shit out now rather than it keep simmering and escalting into a global conflict where more people including more Americans die.
  - eunos 9mo ago
    Imperial boomerang after decades of adventurism in the middle east.
colechristensen 9mo ago
It's also stupid. A US civil war which went far enough to fragment the country would in actuality be a global WWIII and lead to billions of deaths.
- seanw444 9mo ago
  And a new global leader, likely in the form of China. Which I'm sure everyone would see as an improvement. Right?
  - colechristensen 9mo ago
    You have to ask yourself, compared to current US leadership, is China actually all that bad? US is being driven by the personal whims of a deteriorating tyrant, Congress is allowing it and the courts are only doing a tiny amount of checking his power. You can't just say "despite everything happening we're still the good guys and China and Russia are the bad guys!" Osama bin Ladin won. The goals he had when he attacked America have been entirely achieved. Americans got stupid and became susceptible to the society changing effects of terrorism. He got us to destroy ourselves.
    - whimsicalism 9mo ago
      Call me a traditionalist but I do think having free/fair elections is a massive distinguishing factor.
      - colechristensen 9mo ago
        Having free elections doesn't make you the good guys if you elect a tryant to be a tyrant. Republicans are getting what they voted for and they STILL want what's happening. I've heard them say it. This leftist idea that everything will just be ok and we don't need to do anything because it'll all be fixed in the next election needs to stop. Right now the only people actually protecting the republic are the people in the streets because NOBODY else is accomplishing anything.
archagon 9mo ago
Nobody wants to see dead Americans. Put away your grievance politics.
- whimsicalism 9mo ago
  We're responding to someone describing a civil war as a best case scenario. I have no grievance politics.
  - watwut 9mo ago
    The problem is that alternative seems to be America starting WWIII or America violently occupying Europe. That means even more death.
    - whimsicalism 9mo ago
      you're really going to have egg on your face when none of these three paths happen

On the contrary. The ones that want to see dead Americans are currently sitting in the Whitehouse. Mostly because it won't be them on the receiving end of it and they get to plunder the country. Smaller cake, but more for me seems to be their motto.

whimsicalism 9mo ago
I think perhaps multiple people can want to see dead Americans. There is definitely a subtext of glee in this discussion of modern American civil war imo.
- jacquesm 9mo ago
  Not with the Europeans that I know, they are all absolutely aghast at every single murder. It is one of the reasons EU countries are reluctant about participating in any war, they always hope to avoid it (and as a result sometimes get much larger ones...).
  - whimsicalism 9mo ago
    Hard for me to see anyone who says an American civil war is a best case scenario as not cheering for American deaths and I'm skeptical that this was written by an American as it sounds far too out of touch and 'wishcasty' as someone else said.
    - jacquesm 9mo ago
      I don't know exactly who you are referring to, which article/comment/?? do you refer to? You are skeptical that it was written by an American, but you have no proof that it was not? Do you know who did write it? Those guys in the Whitehouse, are they not American? They are the ones steering you straight off a cliff and quite literally anything - including civil war - could happen as a result of that.
      - whimsicalism 9mo ago
        I'm referring to the initial comment I replied to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46693230 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46693230 ie. the comment this entire thread has been about. > you have no proof that it was not? In other comments on their profile, they refer to Americans as if they are someone other than themselves. Also, the belief that a civil war splitting up the US is likely within the next 5 years seems like a pretty big giveaway. > Those guys in the Whitehouse, are they not American? As I said, multiple people can want bad things. I'm painfully aware of what the current admin is doing to our global reputation and what they are risking with their current games - and there are still 3 years on the clock. Take care.
        jacquesm 9mo ago
        Whether it is likely or not has no bearing on whether they want that to happen. I don't want it to happen. I still think it is not entirely unlikely. But that's not on the observers. It's going to be a very long three years. Or a very short one. That choice is not up to the rest of the world but up to the USA.
    - Teever 9mo ago
      America has threatened to invade allies. From the perspective of these allies it is better that American descends into a small civil war and sorts this shit out now rather than it keep simmering and escalting into a global conflict where more people including more Americans die.
- eunos 9mo ago
  Imperial boomerang after decades of adventurism in the middle east.

colechristensen 9mo ago

It's also stupid. A US civil war which went far enough to fragment the country would in actuality be a global WWIII and lead to billions of deaths.

seanw444 9mo ago
And a new global leader, likely in the form of China. Which I'm sure everyone would see as an improvement. Right?
- colechristensen 9mo ago
  You have to ask yourself, compared to current US leadership, is China actually all that bad? US is being driven by the personal whims of a deteriorating tyrant, Congress is allowing it and the courts are only doing a tiny amount of checking his power. You can't just say "despite everything happening we're still the good guys and China and Russia are the bad guys!" Osama bin Ladin won. The goals he had when he attacked America have been entirely achieved. Americans got stupid and became susceptible to the society changing effects of terrorism. He got us to destroy ourselves.
  - whimsicalism 9mo ago
    Call me a traditionalist but I do think having free/fair elections is a massive distinguishing factor.
    - colechristensen 9mo ago
      Having free elections doesn't make you the good guys if you elect a tryant to be a tyrant. Republicans are getting what they voted for and they STILL want what's happening. I've heard them say it. This leftist idea that everything will just be ok and we don't need to do anything because it'll all be fixed in the next election needs to stop. Right now the only people actually protecting the republic are the people in the streets because NOBODY else is accomplishing anything.

archagon 9mo ago

Nobody wants to see dead Americans. Put away your grievance politics.

whimsicalism 9mo ago
We're responding to someone describing a civil war as a best case scenario. I have no grievance politics.
- watwut 9mo ago
  The problem is that alternative seems to be America starting WWIII or America violently occupying Europe. That means even more death.
  - whimsicalism 9mo ago
    you're really going to have egg on your face when none of these three paths happen