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Don't most people already have a plug in their garage? All mine certainly have. There's no need to get full EVSE for most people, a 2.4kW outlet as found almost

Don't most people already have a plug in their garage? All mine certainly have. There's no need to get full EVSE for most people, a 2.4kW outlet as found almost everywhere outside North America will easily handle daily driving needs for anyone who's not in a travelling job. Also if everyone in your neighbourhood turning on a space heater strains the grid you have bigger problems. Utilities have plenty of ways to solve that. We already have electric water heaters on demand controlled circuits and electricity billing that incentivises off-peak use. And as for range? 400km is plenty for all but one trip a year, if that's an issue for your use perhaps EVs are not for you.

pixl97 9mo ago
>Also if everyone in your neighbourhood turning on a space heater strains the grid you have bigger problems. Welcome to Texas. And with Texas a 200 mile+ driving day is just more common than people from smaller places experience.
- mlinhares 9mo ago
  People can't possibly be driving 200 miles a day, that can't be real.
  - bruce511 9mo ago
    Sure it can :). Probably not 7 days a week, but a couple days a week, sure. And of course not everyone. Maybe 10%? Not that it matters. What do I care about the needs of some Texans? (I mean that non perjorativly). I mean just because ranchers still need horses doesn't mean the rest of us have to use them. The world will go EV, even much of the US will go EV, regardless of what some folks need.
    - mlinhares 9mo ago
      If you have to drive 200 miles a day to go to/come back from work its a policy failure and we should care about it.
      - bluGill 9mo ago
        Almost nobody is driving 200 miles to get to work. Almost everybody will move if their commute is more than half an hour - this is through out history and includes hunter gathers deciding to move the tribe, peasants walking to their field... There are a few people driving that far in the US, but either they are planning to move soon, or they don't expect the job to last long. There are a lot of people driving more than 200 miles a day for work though. Many of them are in cars because their unique skills are why they need to be there (as opposed to delivery drivers who are bringing cargo). There are also people who drive a long distance once a week. I know of a rural hospital that pays a lot of doctors to drive in on Thursday so locals don't have to go to the city. (they keep an ER, but the rest of the hospital is empty other than a few nurses the rest of the week)
      - pixl97 9mo ago
        So what is the limit of days you drive 200+ miles per year that make a full EV make sense? In an average year I'll have 40+ days where I drive that much. Not for work, just for doing random things. >a policy failure and we should care about it. We should, but we won't because Oil/Gas/ICE cars spend an epic fuckload telling you that anything not related driving more is communism.
CGMthrowaway 9mo ago
44 million US households have no garage, including ~2/3 of renters
- bruce511 9mo ago
  Sounds like a market opportunity for kerb-side, low speed, charging points. Not to mention parking garages for daytime parking at work. Not to mention mall parking lots. The garage is an obvious starting point, because your car spends a lot of time there, but there are lots of opportunities elsewhere. Once upon a time 44 million households didn't have electricity. Things change.
  - Esophagus4 9mo ago
    I have no garage and work from home. So no workplace to charge. So now you’ve added another thing I have to worry about - finding charging somewhere along my 10 minute errand route? EVs are a bad solution to a problem I don’t have. Hybrids are much better. For the small amount of driving I do, driving my commuter ICE car with a tiny, 35-mpg 4 cylinder engine is fine… why are the EV cultists so convinced their way is the only way and the rest of us are living in prehistoric times? Plus, your EV is heavier than my ICE, so your tires shed rubber particulate more quickly than my tires due to the weight, which is also an environmental pollutant (that is toxic enough to kill wildlife, btw) https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd6951 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd6951
    - Thorrez 9mo ago
      >EV's produce 38% less tire & brake dust than ICE vehicles. >non-exhaust emissions on an ICE vehicle are roughly 1/3 brake dust, 1/3 tire dust and 1/3 road dust. EV's have almost no impact on road dust, 83% lest brake dust and 20% more tire dust. https://electrek.co/2025/05/27/another-way-electric-cars-clean-the-air-study-says-brake-dust-reduced-by-83/ https://electrek.co/2025/05/27/another-way-electric-cars-cle... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46219820 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46219820
brailsafe 9mo ago
> Don't most people already have a plug in their garage? Good point, most people without garages should continue buying hybrid or ICE, because EVs aren't for them yet.
- CGMthrowaway 9mo ago
  When will EVs be for them?
  - brailsafe 9mo ago
    I was being a bit facetious, but I guess when either they're fortunate to live extremely close to a charger, or they have one in building, but then it seems like they'd be fighting for parking and charging space, which doesn't seem to me to compete favorably in terms of practicality. Or the housing market finally crashes and there's a viable path out of renting for those that want to do so.
  - NetMageSCW 9mo ago
    When L2 errand charging becomes enough that they can keep up with daily travel by plugging in where they go and park for a while - restaurants, movie theaters, retail stores, doctor and dentist offices, etc.
    - Esophagus4 9mo ago
      I would like to see alternative charging approaches, as well, like inductive charging roads / parking spaces... this seems kind of cool: https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/travel/mobility/initiatives/wireless-charging-roadway https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/travel/mobility/initiatives/wi... That way I wouldn't need to stress over finding a charging place so often.
- ako 9mo ago
  I dont have a garage, but there are at least 15+ curb side chargers in 250 meters walking distance of my house. No problem charging my Tesla.
bonzini 9mo ago
> There's no need to get full EVSE for most people, It's a lot more comfortable though. It's been a great addition to the home to get an EVSE, even a small single-phase one.
lowdownbutter 9mo ago
Yes it's so easy - Just tell the butler to put it on charge when you arrive home.

pixl97 9mo ago

>Also if everyone in your neighbourhood turning on a space heater strains the grid you have bigger problems. Welcome to Texas. And with Texas a 200 mile+ driving day is just more common than people from smaller places experience.

mlinhares 9mo ago
People can't possibly be driving 200 miles a day, that can't be real.
- bruce511 9mo ago
  Sure it can :). Probably not 7 days a week, but a couple days a week, sure. And of course not everyone. Maybe 10%? Not that it matters. What do I care about the needs of some Texans? (I mean that non perjorativly). I mean just because ranchers still need horses doesn't mean the rest of us have to use them. The world will go EV, even much of the US will go EV, regardless of what some folks need.
  - mlinhares 9mo ago
    If you have to drive 200 miles a day to go to/come back from work its a policy failure and we should care about it.
    - bluGill 9mo ago
      Almost nobody is driving 200 miles to get to work. Almost everybody will move if their commute is more than half an hour - this is through out history and includes hunter gathers deciding to move the tribe, peasants walking to their field... There are a few people driving that far in the US, but either they are planning to move soon, or they don't expect the job to last long. There are a lot of people driving more than 200 miles a day for work though. Many of them are in cars because their unique skills are why they need to be there (as opposed to delivery drivers who are bringing cargo). There are also people who drive a long distance once a week. I know of a rural hospital that pays a lot of doctors to drive in on Thursday so locals don't have to go to the city. (they keep an ER, but the rest of the hospital is empty other than a few nurses the rest of the week)
    - pixl97 9mo ago
      So what is the limit of days you drive 200+ miles per year that make a full EV make sense? In an average year I'll have 40+ days where I drive that much. Not for work, just for doing random things. >a policy failure and we should care about it. We should, but we won't because Oil/Gas/ICE cars spend an epic fuckload telling you that anything not related driving more is communism.

CGMthrowaway 9mo ago

44 million US households have no garage, including ~2/3 of renters

bruce511 9mo ago
Sounds like a market opportunity for kerb-side, low speed, charging points. Not to mention parking garages for daytime parking at work. Not to mention mall parking lots. The garage is an obvious starting point, because your car spends a lot of time there, but there are lots of opportunities elsewhere. Once upon a time 44 million households didn't have electricity. Things change.
- Esophagus4 9mo ago
  I have no garage and work from home. So no workplace to charge. So now you’ve added another thing I have to worry about - finding charging somewhere along my 10 minute errand route? EVs are a bad solution to a problem I don’t have. Hybrids are much better. For the small amount of driving I do, driving my commuter ICE car with a tiny, 35-mpg 4 cylinder engine is fine… why are the EV cultists so convinced their way is the only way and the rest of us are living in prehistoric times? Plus, your EV is heavier than my ICE, so your tires shed rubber particulate more quickly than my tires due to the weight, which is also an environmental pollutant (that is toxic enough to kill wildlife, btw) https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd6951 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd6951
  - Thorrez 9mo ago
    >EV's produce 38% less tire & brake dust than ICE vehicles. >non-exhaust emissions on an ICE vehicle are roughly 1/3 brake dust, 1/3 tire dust and 1/3 road dust. EV's have almost no impact on road dust, 83% lest brake dust and 20% more tire dust. https://electrek.co/2025/05/27/another-way-electric-cars-clean-the-air-study-says-brake-dust-reduced-by-83/ https://electrek.co/2025/05/27/another-way-electric-cars-cle... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46219820 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46219820

brailsafe 9mo ago

> Don't most people already have a plug in their garage? Good point, most people without garages should continue buying hybrid or ICE, because EVs aren't for them yet.

CGMthrowaway 9mo ago
When will EVs be for them?
- brailsafe 9mo ago
  I was being a bit facetious, but I guess when either they're fortunate to live extremely close to a charger, or they have one in building, but then it seems like they'd be fighting for parking and charging space, which doesn't seem to me to compete favorably in terms of practicality. Or the housing market finally crashes and there's a viable path out of renting for those that want to do so.
- NetMageSCW 9mo ago
  When L2 errand charging becomes enough that they can keep up with daily travel by plugging in where they go and park for a while - restaurants, movie theaters, retail stores, doctor and dentist offices, etc.
  - Esophagus4 9mo ago
    I would like to see alternative charging approaches, as well, like inductive charging roads / parking spaces... this seems kind of cool: https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/travel/mobility/initiatives/wireless-charging-roadway https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/travel/mobility/initiatives/wi... That way I wouldn't need to stress over finding a charging place so often.
ako 9mo ago
I dont have a garage, but there are at least 15+ curb side chargers in 250 meters walking distance of my house. No problem charging my Tesla.

bonzini 9mo ago

> There's no need to get full EVSE for most people, It's a lot more comfortable though. It's been a great addition to the home to get an EVSE, even a small single-phase one.

lowdownbutter 9mo ago

Yes it's so easy - Just tell the butler to put it on charge when you arrive home.