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The key part is electrified and not pure electric.

by nxm 9mo ago

cbdevidal 9mo ago
I came here to say this. Also includes hybrids.
tbrownaw 9mo ago
"electrified" is full-electric plus plug-in hybrid. Does this mean that a non-plug-in hybrid would be in the "pure combustion-engined" bucket, or that they don't make those?
- kulahan 9mo ago
  I believe the only non-plug in hybrid they make is the 911 with the T-Hybrid system in it. It uses motors to assist performance, but is not a plug-in. It’s probably just an incredibly small number of sales?
King-Aaron 9mo ago
On this note: It was recently reported that Electrified vehicles in general outsold conventional ICE powered vehicles in Australia, claiming it has reached a 'tipping point' with consumers: https://www.drive.com.au/news/electrified-vehicles-have-officially-outsold-petrol-cars-in-australia/ https://www.drive.com.au/news/electrified-vehicles-have-offi...
- selcuka 9mo ago
  I wonder if fake hybrids [1] were counted as well. [1] https://www.carscoops.com/2025/10/toyota-accuses-rivals-of-selling-fake-hybrids-to-mislead-drivers/ https://www.carscoops.com/2025/10/toyota-accuses-rivals-of-s...
- hnburnsy 9mo ago
  Consumers don't realize they are getting the worst of both worlds with added weight, complexity, repairs, inefficiency, and costs along with potential reliability (ex-Toyota) Not to mention studies that show PHEV owners frequently don't plug in.
  - olyjohn 9mo ago
    Well those owners are idiots. That says nothing about the car. You can't exclude Toyota when you make the claim that hybrids are unreliable and inefficient either. They have proven that they can be reliable and efficient. Hybrids aren't running around doing 30 miles a day with a 300 mile battery like most EVs. Talk about inefficient!
    - rcMgD2BwE72F 9mo ago
      How many miles of long trips? A quick search gives me half of them are long distance (50+ miles). Since the short trips can all be done very efficiently on battery (recovering all the braking, too), I guess the weight isn't much of an issue for commuting if you can have the rest -half of the total driven miles- on EV with a full battery vehicle. I wish I could find numbers on eCO2/miles for the short vs long trips.
    - Tarq0n 9mo ago
      The problem is the limited charging infrastructure. Hybrid owners don't need to plug in for the vehicle to function so they yield available chargers to actual EVs. To get past this you would need ubiquitous charging infra.
      - NetMageSCW 9mo ago
        PHEV owners only need to charge at home (and if they can’t, don’t need a PHEV) and use electric power for local commuting. The future of BEVs (and the most practical today) is also charging at home, and available chargers can grow slowly with BEVs used for road trips. Tesla is pretty close to there already. So, chargers don’t need to ubiquitous, just a bit more available on less common road trip routes.
  - dietr1ch 9mo ago
    My main goal with buying an EV is to give the middle finger to the oil industry as they have meddled with the world too much. They screwed public transit and entire nations just for profits. I love my Subbie and I'll keep that until it breaks apart and replace it with an EV. Maybe today there's many downsides to an EV, but I hope it evens up and maybe becomes even better to get one.
loeg 9mo ago
About 2/3 of these are BEVs and the other 1/3 are PHEVs: > In 2025, 34.4 per cent of Porsche cars delivered worldwide were electrified (+7.4 percentage points), with 22.2 per cent being fully electric and 12.1 per cent being plug-in hybrids.
CGMthrowaway 9mo ago
I never understood the big push for full EVs over hybrid. Roughly speaking, a hybrid gets double the MPG of an ICE car, and a BEV gets double the MPGe of a hybrid. But BEVs require you to add a plug to your garage to get a rapid refuel, when your whole neighborhood gets them it strains the grid, you are range limited, etc... My hunch is there are some laws or regs somewhere that kept hybrids from really taking off (or rather, they were taking off.. then suddenly were suppressed). Which is why I don't interpret headlines like these to mean "consumers have crossed the tipping point" - in many cases it is incentive-driven, not pure consumer demand. The EU is committed to the full EV route and that is not changing. But it's not taking hold in the US, and over the next few years the big thing we will see being sold is actually EREVs, which are BEVs with a gas generator attached to charge the battery (yes, really). Source: in the industry
- dmix 9mo ago
  The main issue will always be price. Whether that's purchase price, resale, or maintenance. Even the budget brand cars from South Korea and Ford can figure out the basics of interior/exterior design where customers are happy. That mostly just leaves the price and it's only gone up. Car prices have increased well above the rate of inflation over the last decade and even used cars are more expensive than ever. Average new car price is $50k, mostly because EVs are so expensive https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a69047202/average-new-car-price-rises-above-50000/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a69047202/average-new-car-...
  - CGMthrowaway 9mo ago
    > The main issue will always be price. You're right. There isn't a single legacy auto manufacturer in the US (Ford, GM, Stellantis) that can profitably sell an EV. Yet they make them anyway, and sell them for huge losses ($billions per year) because they have to meet mandates.
    - bruce511 9mo ago
      For foreign (read Chinese) cars a big piece of the price charged to US customers is the tarrifs (taxes) which US customers pay. Elsewhere in the world EV prices are steadily coming down. They're not as low as ICE yet, and maybe never will be, but a nice entry level ICE car here is circa $15k, and a nice EV entry level is circa 25k. Factor in fuel and maintenance costs and the real price is getting very close....

The key part is electrified and not pure electric.

by nxm 9mo ago

The key part is electrified and not pure electric.

cbdevidal 9mo ago

I came here to say this. Also includes hybrids.

tbrownaw 9mo ago

"electrified" is full-electric plus plug-in hybrid. Does this mean that a non-plug-in hybrid would be in the "pure combustion-engined" bucket, or that they don't make those?

kulahan 9mo ago
I believe the only non-plug in hybrid they make is the 911 with the T-Hybrid system in it. It uses motors to assist performance, but is not a plug-in. It’s probably just an incredibly small number of sales?

King-Aaron 9mo ago

On this note: It was recently reported that Electrified vehicles in general outsold conventional ICE powered vehicles in Australia, claiming it has reached a 'tipping point' with consumers: https://www.drive.com.au/news/electrified-vehicles-have-officially-outsold-petrol-cars-in-australia/ https://www.drive.com.au/news/electrified-vehicles-have-offi...

selcuka 9mo ago
I wonder if fake hybrids [1] were counted as well. [1] https://www.carscoops.com/2025/10/toyota-accuses-rivals-of-selling-fake-hybrids-to-mislead-drivers/ https://www.carscoops.com/2025/10/toyota-accuses-rivals-of-s...
hnburnsy 9mo ago
Consumers don't realize they are getting the worst of both worlds with added weight, complexity, repairs, inefficiency, and costs along with potential reliability (ex-Toyota) Not to mention studies that show PHEV owners frequently don't plug in.
- olyjohn 9mo ago
  Well those owners are idiots. That says nothing about the car. You can't exclude Toyota when you make the claim that hybrids are unreliable and inefficient either. They have proven that they can be reliable and efficient. Hybrids aren't running around doing 30 miles a day with a 300 mile battery like most EVs. Talk about inefficient!
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 9mo ago
    How many miles of long trips? A quick search gives me half of them are long distance (50+ miles). Since the short trips can all be done very efficiently on battery (recovering all the braking, too), I guess the weight isn't much of an issue for commuting if you can have the rest -half of the total driven miles- on EV with a full battery vehicle. I wish I could find numbers on eCO2/miles for the short vs long trips.
  - Tarq0n 9mo ago
    The problem is the limited charging infrastructure. Hybrid owners don't need to plug in for the vehicle to function so they yield available chargers to actual EVs. To get past this you would need ubiquitous charging infra.
    - NetMageSCW 9mo ago
      PHEV owners only need to charge at home (and if they can’t, don’t need a PHEV) and use electric power for local commuting. The future of BEVs (and the most practical today) is also charging at home, and available chargers can grow slowly with BEVs used for road trips. Tesla is pretty close to there already. So, chargers don’t need to ubiquitous, just a bit more available on less common road trip routes.
- dietr1ch 9mo ago
  My main goal with buying an EV is to give the middle finger to the oil industry as they have meddled with the world too much. They screwed public transit and entire nations just for profits. I love my Subbie and I'll keep that until it breaks apart and replace it with an EV. Maybe today there's many downsides to an EV, but I hope it evens up and maybe becomes even better to get one.

loeg 9mo ago

About 2/3 of these are BEVs and the other 1/3 are PHEVs: > In 2025, 34.4 per cent of Porsche cars delivered worldwide were electrified (+7.4 percentage points), with 22.2 per cent being fully electric and 12.1 per cent being plug-in hybrids.

CGMthrowaway 9mo ago

I never understood the big push for full EVs over hybrid. Roughly speaking, a hybrid gets double the MPG of an ICE car, and a BEV gets double the MPGe of a hybrid. But BEVs require you to add a plug to your garage to get a rapid refuel, when your whole neighborhood gets them it strains the grid, you are range limited, etc... My hunch is there are some laws or regs somewhere that kept hybrids from really taking off (or rather, they were taking off.. then suddenly were suppressed). Which is why I don't interpret headlines like these to mean "consumers have crossed the tipping point" - in many cases it is incentive-driven, not pure consumer demand. The EU is committed to the full EV route and that is not changing. But it's not taking hold in the US, and over the next few years the big thing we will see being sold is actually EREVs, which are BEVs with a gas generator attached to charge the battery (yes, really). Source: in the industry

dmix 9mo ago
The main issue will always be price. Whether that's purchase price, resale, or maintenance. Even the budget brand cars from South Korea and Ford can figure out the basics of interior/exterior design where customers are happy. That mostly just leaves the price and it's only gone up. Car prices have increased well above the rate of inflation over the last decade and even used cars are more expensive than ever. Average new car price is $50k, mostly because EVs are so expensive https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a69047202/average-new-car-price-rises-above-50000/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a69047202/average-new-car-...
- CGMthrowaway 9mo ago
  > The main issue will always be price. You're right. There isn't a single legacy auto manufacturer in the US (Ford, GM, Stellantis) that can profitably sell an EV. Yet they make them anyway, and sell them for huge losses ($billions per year) because they have to meet mandates.
  - bruce511 9mo ago
    For foreign (read Chinese) cars a big piece of the price charged to US customers is the tarrifs (taxes) which US customers pay. Elsewhere in the world EV prices are steadily coming down. They're not as low as ICE yet, and maybe never will be, but a nice entry level ICE car here is circa $15k, and a nice EV entry level is circa 25k. Factor in fuel and maintenance costs and the real price is getting very close....