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Okay. What will the stability be like after NATO is shattered and the EU is no longer a market open to the US?

by fatbird 9mo ago

rayiner 9mo ago
Stability will be fine. U.S. exports to the EU are only 1.1% of GDP.
- judahmeek 9mo ago
  Please go read https://theauthoritarians.org/ https://theauthoritarians.org/
  - rayiner 9mo ago
    Please go read “The Culture Transplant.” https://www.rorotoko.com/11/20230913-jones-garett-on-book-culture-transplant-how-migrants-make-economies-they-move-to-a-lot-like-the-ones-they-left https://www.rorotoko.com/11/20230913-jones-garett-on-book-cu...
    - CyberDildonics 9mo ago
      "culture" is meaningless and a non argument anywhere. It is only ever brought up as an emotional argument against something someone is uncomfortable with. It has nothing to do with systems that involve people.
    - snark_attack 9mo ago
      [dead]
    - mindslight 9mo ago
      I don't understand how you can continue referencing narratives like this one, wear your minority identity on your sleeve like you're still competing in the DEI Olympics, but yet keep failing to see that you're personally responsible for doing exactly as this book bemoans. If you're really concerned about preserving American culture against dilution by immigrants bringing other cultures, have you ever thought that maybe it's time for you personally to hold back with the developing-country-style populist strongman boosting? Not some vague "other" that might come here and do even more of the same, but you personally, right here, right now. If this lauded western European culture is based around consensus, process, and compromise (rough points you've made elsewhere about the importance of culture), surely you can recognize that this culture has something to say about the wisdom of attacking longstanding allies (regardless of any perceived immediate benefit). Essentially, if you see value in the incumbent culture then maybe you should be content deferring to it a bit more while you're still assimilating. I'm sure you're going to have rationalizations aplenty in response to this comment, so all I can really say is perhaps try some self-reflection.
      - rayiner 9mo ago
        You're completely correct, except that I do see it. In fact, I was talking with another Bengali just the other day about how our parents aren't viscerally offended by Trump the way many Americans are, because he's like an Indian or Bangladeshi politician. Trump himself reflects how immigration is changing America. Blue Rose Research projects that Trump tied or narrowly won naturalized citizens like me: https://data.blueroseresearch.org/hubfs/2024%20Blue%20Rose%20Research%20Retrospective.pdf https://data.blueroseresearch.org/hubfs/2024%20Blue%20Rose%2... (page 9). Democrats historically got 80% of the Bangladeshi immigrant vote. But last year, Trump actually campaigned in Queens and Little Bangladesh in Jackson Heights swung a net 50 points to the right. Mitt Romney isn't a viable Republican today. Trump is. So your diagnosis is correct. But I think your prescription is like telling liberals "why don't you just pay more taxes if that's what you want?" I would like to return to an America where my options are between Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. But I don't see how unilaterally disarming gets me there. We're locked in a prisoner's dilemma. As more and more of the electorate is comprised of people who don't have traditional Anglo cultural sensibilities, both sides have strong incentives to capitalize on that however they can. Mamdani is what that looks like on the left, Trump is what that looks like on the right.
- fatbird 9mo ago
  And how much does the U.S. import from the EU?
- _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
  WTF kind of useless measurement is this? Is the impact going to be spread evenly across the entire US GDP sources? No, it's going to have large impacts on specific industries/services and not much on others. How the f are you arguing these numbers won't have an impact on us? Total US goods exports in 2024 were $2,083.8 billion Total US goods exports to the European Union were $369.8 billion, to the UK $79.5 billion Total US services exports in 2024 was $1,107 billion Total U.S. services exports to European Union in 2024 were $294.7 billion, to the UK another$99.4 billion The EU is 26% of our services exports The UK is 9% Canada another 8% Sure, our economy, industry, and service sector can totally just eat losing this trade, it's not significant at all. /s https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/european-union https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe... https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/us-international-trade-goods-and-services-december-and-annual-2024 https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/us-international-trade-goods-a... https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4120.html https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4120.html https://www.usitc.gov/publications/industry_econ_analysis_332/2024/recent_trends_us_services_trade_2024_annual_report https://www.usitc.gov/publications/industry_econ_analysis_33...

Okay. What will the stability be like after NATO is shattered and the EU is no longer a market open to the US?

by fatbird 9mo ago

Okay. What will the stability be like after NATO is shattered and the EU is no longer a market open to the US?

rayiner 9mo ago

Stability will be fine. U.S. exports to the EU are only 1.1% of GDP.

judahmeek 9mo ago
Please go read https://theauthoritarians.org/ https://theauthoritarians.org/
- rayiner 9mo ago
  Please go read “The Culture Transplant.” https://www.rorotoko.com/11/20230913-jones-garett-on-book-culture-transplant-how-migrants-make-economies-they-move-to-a-lot-like-the-ones-they-left https://www.rorotoko.com/11/20230913-jones-garett-on-book-cu...
  - CyberDildonics 9mo ago
    "culture" is meaningless and a non argument anywhere. It is only ever brought up as an emotional argument against something someone is uncomfortable with. It has nothing to do with systems that involve people.
  - snark_attack 9mo ago
    [dead]
  - mindslight 9mo ago
    I don't understand how you can continue referencing narratives like this one, wear your minority identity on your sleeve like you're still competing in the DEI Olympics, but yet keep failing to see that you're personally responsible for doing exactly as this book bemoans. If you're really concerned about preserving American culture against dilution by immigrants bringing other cultures, have you ever thought that maybe it's time for you personally to hold back with the developing-country-style populist strongman boosting? Not some vague "other" that might come here and do even more of the same, but you personally, right here, right now. If this lauded western European culture is based around consensus, process, and compromise (rough points you've made elsewhere about the importance of culture), surely you can recognize that this culture has something to say about the wisdom of attacking longstanding allies (regardless of any perceived immediate benefit). Essentially, if you see value in the incumbent culture then maybe you should be content deferring to it a bit more while you're still assimilating. I'm sure you're going to have rationalizations aplenty in response to this comment, so all I can really say is perhaps try some self-reflection.
    - rayiner 9mo ago
      You're completely correct, except that I do see it. In fact, I was talking with another Bengali just the other day about how our parents aren't viscerally offended by Trump the way many Americans are, because he's like an Indian or Bangladeshi politician. Trump himself reflects how immigration is changing America. Blue Rose Research projects that Trump tied or narrowly won naturalized citizens like me: https://data.blueroseresearch.org/hubfs/2024%20Blue%20Rose%20Research%20Retrospective.pdf https://data.blueroseresearch.org/hubfs/2024%20Blue%20Rose%2... (page 9). Democrats historically got 80% of the Bangladeshi immigrant vote. But last year, Trump actually campaigned in Queens and Little Bangladesh in Jackson Heights swung a net 50 points to the right. Mitt Romney isn't a viable Republican today. Trump is. So your diagnosis is correct. But I think your prescription is like telling liberals "why don't you just pay more taxes if that's what you want?" I would like to return to an America where my options are between Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. But I don't see how unilaterally disarming gets me there. We're locked in a prisoner's dilemma. As more and more of the electorate is comprised of people who don't have traditional Anglo cultural sensibilities, both sides have strong incentives to capitalize on that however they can. Mamdani is what that looks like on the left, Trump is what that looks like on the right.
fatbird 9mo ago
And how much does the U.S. import from the EU?
_DeadFred_ 9mo ago
WTF kind of useless measurement is this? Is the impact going to be spread evenly across the entire US GDP sources? No, it's going to have large impacts on specific industries/services and not much on others. How the f are you arguing these numbers won't have an impact on us? Total US goods exports in 2024 were $2,083.8 billion Total US goods exports to the European Union were $369.8 billion, to the UK $79.5 billion Total US services exports in 2024 was $1,107 billion Total U.S. services exports to European Union in 2024 were $294.7 billion, to the UK another$99.4 billion The EU is 26% of our services exports The UK is 9% Canada another 8% Sure, our economy, industry, and service sector can totally just eat losing this trade, it's not significant at all. /s https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/european-union https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe... https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/us-international-trade-goods-and-services-december-and-annual-2024 https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/us-international-trade-goods-a... https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4120.html https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4120.html https://www.usitc.gov/publications/industry_econ_analysis_332/2024/recent_trends_us_services_trade_2024_annual_report https://www.usitc.gov/publications/industry_econ_analysis_33...