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Sure, just go fetch the sabotage manual from cia.gov! That absolutely will never ever get your IP on a watch list or anything 8-/

by johnea 9mo ago

windowpains 9mo ago
Can’t they just watch everyone? I mean too much data is only a problem until you have AI.
- margalabargala 9mo ago
  It's true. "Getting you on a list" is the outdated consequence, "having a flag set in your file" is the new way.
  - fenwick67 9mo ago
    another day another field effecting the "deviant" weight in the FBI's model
  - windowpains 9mo ago
    Someone here probably works for Alex Karp and can give us the low down. I’d imagine it’s a virtual clone of some sort which can be put into simulated environments and observed.
cardamomo 9mo ago
We should create a committee to see if this actually has an effect. A minimum of 24 members should be sufficient. After we have a quorum, we can independently test your hypothesis and report back to the committee. Once we reach consensus, let's report back to this thread.
- NitpickLawyer 9mo ago
  Ah! It's great that you've already set up the committee. Before we do any hypothesis testing, I would like us to discuss the resource consumption of a) this committee's gatherings (especially when we have a quorum) resource allocations as related to miscellaneous consumables (e.g. paper and pencils) and b) the overall energy usage of all our members (especially when using such tools as VPNs and dual monitors) when remote gathering and c) the proper removal and safe disposal of the plastic water bottles (including but not limited to their caps) after an in person meeting Barring these estimations and their precise tracing throughout the lifetime of one of our meetings, I'm afraid I'll insist on postponing any such meetings, until we'll have the possibility of performing such estimations, or a higher power decides to maybe wave some (if not all) of the above. In which case we should then proceed to propose alternative avenues towards the facilitation of such re-estimating, or re-analysis as needed.
  - russfink 9mo ago
    zOMG dying laughing here
    - actionfromafar 9mo ago
      Regular HN discussion about wind vs nuclear.
bmacho 9mo ago
Get it from archive? https://web.archive.org/web/2026if_/https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/2026if_/https://www.cia.gov/stat...
jjkaczor 9mo ago
If you are that concerned, it's available from Anna's Archive and/or other shadow libraries. This thing has been floating around for decades... Heck - you can buy a physical copy from Amazon...
baldgeek 9mo ago
That won't get you put on a watchlist. You have to a little more than access it. I bet that millions before this post was even created have accessed that document.
- GolfPopper 9mo ago
  I'm more concerned with the wisdom of downloading a document in a format known to be exploitable hosted by an intelligence agency of a government known for a recent uptick in aggressive domestic policing?
  - deleted 9mo ago
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FuriouslyAdrift 9mo ago
Nah... it just adds another tag to your id in Gotham
jansan 9mo ago
I think I have downloaded it about ten times in the last fifteen years. Noone came knocking so far.
impossiblefork 9mo ago
The CIA are probably for the most part reasonable people, or if they aren't, hopefully not that kind of crazy. They probably want people to look at their history stuff. Think "look, our predecessor organizations helped defeat the Nazis/Imperial Japan and did reasonable stuff". I'm not sure whether this text is propaganda to get people to work more effectively or an actual sabotage manual, but whatever it is, that's still the signal, I think. At best keeping this on your website is like trying to say "Our stuff taught people to resist Nazis and similarly bad people", at worst it's like trying to say "look, here's a really entertaining way to trick people into being productive".
- downrightmike 9mo ago
  Where;s the Iran > Contra > Inner-City crack epidemic book? Maybe we can borrow the sackler's copy?
- DontchaKnowit 9mo ago
  "The CIA are probably for the most part reasonable people" What CIA are you talking about? Maybe we have diferent definitions of reasonable, but the CIA I know of are absolutely fucking wicked, morally bankrupt snakes.
regentbowerbird 9mo ago
True. Let's post the URL to a popular website to add noise to the data.
tgsovlerkhgsel 9mo ago
Spy agencies are presumably pretty good at learning which signal is signal and which is noise. Given how commonly this is referenced in corporate presentations to point out that the antipatterns from the sabotage manual are how many companies run nowadays, it's either going to be a meaninglessly big watchlist or no watchlist.
shawn_w 9mo ago
For bonus watchlist points grab a copy of The Anarchists Cookbook at the same time.
sneak 9mo ago
Every IP is being watched.

Sure, just go fetch the sabotage manual from cia.gov! That absolutely will never ever get your IP on a watch list or anything 8-/

by johnea 9mo ago

Sure, just go fetch the sabotage manual from cia.gov! That absolutely will never ever get your IP on a watch list or anything 8-/

windowpains 9mo ago

Can’t they just watch everyone? I mean too much data is only a problem until you have AI.

margalabargala 9mo ago
It's true. "Getting you on a list" is the outdated consequence, "having a flag set in your file" is the new way.
- fenwick67 9mo ago
  another day another field effecting the "deviant" weight in the FBI's model
- windowpains 9mo ago
  Someone here probably works for Alex Karp and can give us the low down. I’d imagine it’s a virtual clone of some sort which can be put into simulated environments and observed.

cardamomo 9mo ago

We should create a committee to see if this actually has an effect. A minimum of 24 members should be sufficient. After we have a quorum, we can independently test your hypothesis and report back to the committee. Once we reach consensus, let's report back to this thread.

NitpickLawyer 9mo ago
Ah! It's great that you've already set up the committee. Before we do any hypothesis testing, I would like us to discuss the resource consumption of a) this committee's gatherings (especially when we have a quorum) resource allocations as related to miscellaneous consumables (e.g. paper and pencils) and b) the overall energy usage of all our members (especially when using such tools as VPNs and dual monitors) when remote gathering and c) the proper removal and safe disposal of the plastic water bottles (including but not limited to their caps) after an in person meeting Barring these estimations and their precise tracing throughout the lifetime of one of our meetings, I'm afraid I'll insist on postponing any such meetings, until we'll have the possibility of performing such estimations, or a higher power decides to maybe wave some (if not all) of the above. In which case we should then proceed to propose alternative avenues towards the facilitation of such re-estimating, or re-analysis as needed.
- russfink 9mo ago
  zOMG dying laughing here
  - actionfromafar 9mo ago
    Regular HN discussion about wind vs nuclear.

bmacho 9mo ago

Get it from archive? https://web.archive.org/web/2026if_/https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/2026if_/https://www.cia.gov/stat...

jjkaczor 9mo ago

If you are that concerned, it's available from Anna's Archive and/or other shadow libraries. This thing has been floating around for decades... Heck - you can buy a physical copy from Amazon...

baldgeek 9mo ago

That won't get you put on a watchlist. You have to a little more than access it. I bet that millions before this post was even created have accessed that document.

GolfPopper 9mo ago
I'm more concerned with the wisdom of downloading a document in a format known to be exploitable hosted by an intelligence agency of a government known for a recent uptick in aggressive domestic policing?
- deleted 9mo ago
  [deleted]

FuriouslyAdrift 9mo ago

Nah... it just adds another tag to your id in Gotham

jansan 9mo ago

I think I have downloaded it about ten times in the last fifteen years. Noone came knocking so far.

impossiblefork 9mo ago

The CIA are probably for the most part reasonable people, or if they aren't, hopefully not that kind of crazy. They probably want people to look at their history stuff. Think "look, our predecessor organizations helped defeat the Nazis/Imperial Japan and did reasonable stuff". I'm not sure whether this text is propaganda to get people to work more effectively or an actual sabotage manual, but whatever it is, that's still the signal, I think. At best keeping this on your website is like trying to say "Our stuff taught people to resist Nazis and similarly bad people", at worst it's like trying to say "look, here's a really entertaining way to trick people into being productive".

downrightmike 9mo ago
Where;s the Iran > Contra > Inner-City crack epidemic book? Maybe we can borrow the sackler's copy?
DontchaKnowit 9mo ago
"The CIA are probably for the most part reasonable people" What CIA are you talking about? Maybe we have diferent definitions of reasonable, but the CIA I know of are absolutely fucking wicked, morally bankrupt snakes.

regentbowerbird 9mo ago

True. Let's post the URL to a popular website to add noise to the data.

tgsovlerkhgsel 9mo ago

Spy agencies are presumably pretty good at learning which signal is signal and which is noise. Given how commonly this is referenced in corporate presentations to point out that the antipatterns from the sabotage manual are how many companies run nowadays, it's either going to be a meaninglessly big watchlist or no watchlist.

shawn_w 9mo ago

For bonus watchlist points grab a copy of The Anarchists Cookbook at the same time.

sneak 9mo ago

Every IP is being watched.