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This is a really bad article, they're on standby for Minnesota and not Greenland. Even the article mentions this and downplays Greenland repeatedly while still

by chasd00 10mo ago

This is a really bad article, they're on standby for Minnesota and not Greenland. Even the article mentions this and downplays Greenland repeatedly while still trying to plant that seed to keep the user scrolling through the ads. "The selection of the 11th Airborne Division has immediately drawn scrutiny. Reconstituted and reoriented in recent years, the division is widely regarded as the Army’s premier Arctic and cold-weather formation, optimized for sub-zero operations, austere airfields, glacier movement, and high-latitude logistics. Military planners note that for domestic crowd-control or security missions in the Midwest, National Guard units or conventional active-duty formations are typically preferred. “This is an Arctic hammer being readied for an urban nail,” said a retired logistics officer familiar with force-generation planning. “That mismatch is what’s raising eyebrows.”" it's about to get really effing cold in Minnesota. Just another click/rage bait article...

jghn 10mo ago
> they're on standby for Minnesota and not Greenland You say this like it's better?
- lawn 10mo ago
  For the rest of the world, yes. I feel bad for the people in Minnesota though.
- chasd00 10mo ago
  No, i'm saying that because the article wants to paint a picture of the US Army mobilizing to invade Greenland but that's not what's happening. FTFA> "Adding to the unease are unconfirmed reports of increased Special Operations Forces activity linked to Arctic training and reconnaissance." Narrator> it's Winter in the US..
- jpkw 10mo ago
  Deploying troops to Greenland right now would be solely aimed at seizing Greenland by force and would be a major international incident against the US's most important military allies. Deploying troops to Minnesota would be a domestic show of force that would have minimal impact, as they are incapable of seizing Minnesota for the US as it is already a US territory, so they would be used to guard public buildings (and would basically just sit around doing nothing all day).
  - dvfjsdhgfv 10mo ago
    > and would basically just sit around doing nothing all day This is what everybody hopes for, myself included.
  - johnnyanmac 10mo ago
    > would be a major international incident against the US's most important military allies. The thing Trump's spent months "hinting" at? Yes. Are we still giving the BOTD after what happened at Venezuela, and how they are trying to push the "Donroe Doctrine"? Do we REALLY need this to escalate to WW3 before we stop defending Trump? No, people died in COVID defending their stances. People will never admit out loud that they regret their vote. Will be burning in radiation and still trying to put up a front that Trump was good for America.
  - dragonwriter 10mo ago
    > Deploying troops to Minnesota would be a domestic show of force that would have minimal impact, as they are incapable of seizing Minnesota for the US as it is already a US territory, so they would be used to guard public buildings (and would basically just sit around doing nothing all day). It would, at best, be a domestic show of force to further an ongoing campaign of violent, including lethal, state terrorism directed against the civilian population, in violation of the Constitution and laws and direct judicial orders; and at worst a direct addition of the military to the federal paramilitary forces actively engaging in that campaign, rather than merely a show of force in support of it. Can't think of any Trump action that has manifested in the way that would have been described as “at best” in advance, but I guess it is theoretically possible this could be the first.
formerly_proven 10mo ago
Is “president is readying capital-M Military troops for domestic deployment in opposition cities” supposed to be better?
- chasd00 10mo ago
  No it would not be better, it would be a disaster. The Army (and especially Marines) are trained to the point of muscle memory to respond to aggression with overwhelming deadly force. It's not a good idea to task them with handling protestors like it's not a good idea to task a trained fighting dog to play at a dog park.
  - jpkw 10mo ago
    Come on now, by this logic marines should not be allowed to live in the US at all as they couldn't be trusted to go out in public without strangling someone for doing something that they deem a potential threat.
  - darvid 10mo ago
    what is ICE in this trained dog analogy?
    - ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
      Dog poo? Or, a pack of angry, trembling chihuahuas that keep on attacking dogs with certain colour fur.
bee_rider 10mo ago
The headline does seem unnecessarily alarmist. The article itself is about the speculation that it is more than just a coincidence. It is very upfront about that fact. If the article isn’t booted from this site for being too political, it would probably be beneficial to edit the headline somewhat, to note that it is speculation.
perihelions 10mo ago
It's LLM-generated too. Not subtle about it either; besides being gross unreadable dreck, things it represents as direct quotes from experts are hallucinations. I.e., the quote attributed (falsely) to a CSIS analyst, "A domestic mission provides legal cover to load aircraft, marshal equipment, and place units on short notice. The moment of truth is the flight plan", is unique to this domain. And: "This is an Arctic hammer being readied for an urban nail" has no results anywhere else on the internet. Nor do the substrings, "arctic hammer" + "urban nail".
- perihelions 10mo ago
  (Self-reply): This LLM slop is the current #1 story on r/news, if anyone else wanted to share in my abject despair at the state of AI disinformation. https://old.reddit.com/r/news/ https://old.reddit.com/r/news/
  - johnnyanmac 10mo ago
    it's not disinformation given the last few weeka and even months of trump talking about this.
johnnyanmac 10mo ago
>they're on standby for Minnesota and not Greenland. If you still believe the president at this point, sure. That's the current spin. If you don't, it's very weird to need (what is taken from their website) the division that " conducts Multi-Domain Operations in the Indo-Pacific theater and the Arctic." to come down to the continential US to control a few protestors in Minnesota. I think only Hawaii is a father set of troops to deploy in comparison.

by chasd00 10mo ago

jghn 10mo ago

> they're on standby for Minnesota and not Greenland You say this like it's better?

lawn 10mo ago
For the rest of the world, yes. I feel bad for the people in Minnesota though.
chasd00 10mo ago
No, i'm saying that because the article wants to paint a picture of the US Army mobilizing to invade Greenland but that's not what's happening. FTFA> "Adding to the unease are unconfirmed reports of increased Special Operations Forces activity linked to Arctic training and reconnaissance." Narrator> it's Winter in the US..
jpkw 10mo ago
Deploying troops to Greenland right now would be solely aimed at seizing Greenland by force and would be a major international incident against the US's most important military allies. Deploying troops to Minnesota would be a domestic show of force that would have minimal impact, as they are incapable of seizing Minnesota for the US as it is already a US territory, so they would be used to guard public buildings (and would basically just sit around doing nothing all day).
- dvfjsdhgfv 10mo ago
  > and would basically just sit around doing nothing all day This is what everybody hopes for, myself included.
- johnnyanmac 10mo ago
  > would be a major international incident against the US's most important military allies. The thing Trump's spent months "hinting" at? Yes. Are we still giving the BOTD after what happened at Venezuela, and how they are trying to push the "Donroe Doctrine"? Do we REALLY need this to escalate to WW3 before we stop defending Trump? No, people died in COVID defending their stances. People will never admit out loud that they regret their vote. Will be burning in radiation and still trying to put up a front that Trump was good for America.
- dragonwriter 10mo ago
  > Deploying troops to Minnesota would be a domestic show of force that would have minimal impact, as they are incapable of seizing Minnesota for the US as it is already a US territory, so they would be used to guard public buildings (and would basically just sit around doing nothing all day). It would, at best, be a domestic show of force to further an ongoing campaign of violent, including lethal, state terrorism directed against the civilian population, in violation of the Constitution and laws and direct judicial orders; and at worst a direct addition of the military to the federal paramilitary forces actively engaging in that campaign, rather than merely a show of force in support of it. Can't think of any Trump action that has manifested in the way that would have been described as “at best” in advance, but I guess it is theoretically possible this could be the first.

formerly_proven 10mo ago

Is “president is readying capital-M Military troops for domestic deployment in opposition cities” supposed to be better?

chasd00 10mo ago
No it would not be better, it would be a disaster. The Army (and especially Marines) are trained to the point of muscle memory to respond to aggression with overwhelming deadly force. It's not a good idea to task them with handling protestors like it's not a good idea to task a trained fighting dog to play at a dog park.
- jpkw 10mo ago
  Come on now, by this logic marines should not be allowed to live in the US at all as they couldn't be trusted to go out in public without strangling someone for doing something that they deem a potential threat.
- darvid 10mo ago
  what is ICE in this trained dog analogy?
  - ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
    Dog poo? Or, a pack of angry, trembling chihuahuas that keep on attacking dogs with certain colour fur.

bee_rider 10mo ago

The headline does seem unnecessarily alarmist. The article itself is about the speculation that it is more than just a coincidence. It is very upfront about that fact. If the article isn’t booted from this site for being too political, it would probably be beneficial to edit the headline somewhat, to note that it is speculation.

perihelions 10mo ago

It's LLM-generated too. Not subtle about it either; besides being gross unreadable dreck, things it represents as direct quotes from experts are hallucinations. I.e., the quote attributed (falsely) to a CSIS analyst, "A domestic mission provides legal cover to load aircraft, marshal equipment, and place units on short notice. The moment of truth is the flight plan", is unique to this domain. And: "This is an Arctic hammer being readied for an urban nail" has no results anywhere else on the internet. Nor do the substrings, "arctic hammer" + "urban nail".

perihelions 10mo ago
(Self-reply): This LLM slop is the current #1 story on r/news, if anyone else wanted to share in my abject despair at the state of AI disinformation. https://old.reddit.com/r/news/ https://old.reddit.com/r/news/
- johnnyanmac 10mo ago
  it's not disinformation given the last few weeka and even months of trump talking about this.

johnnyanmac 10mo ago

>they're on standby for Minnesota and not Greenland. If you still believe the president at this point, sure. That's the current spin. If you don't, it's very weird to need (what is taken from their website) the division that " conducts Multi-Domain Operations in the Indo-Pacific theater and the Arctic." to come down to the continential US to control a few protestors in Minnesota. I think only Hawaii is a father set of troops to deploy in comparison.