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Well, that's not accurate either. Because the police didn't want to upset the "local community" (which is predominantly Muslim), they hunted around for reasons

by gadders 9mo ago

Well, that's not accurate either. Because the police didn't want to upset the "local community" (which is predominantly Muslim), they hunted around for reasons to ban them as that was easier than EG enforcing the law and stopping people getting attacked by mobs. It's just more two tier policing in the UK.

YeGoblynQueenne 9mo ago
Do you mean the West Midlands is predominantly muslim?
- gadders 9mo ago
  I don't know the make up of all of the West Midlands, sorry.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 9mo ago
    You say the local community is predominantly muslim.
    - gadders 9mo ago
      What do you consider local to Aston Villa's ground?
      - YeGoblynQueenne 9mo ago
        I don't understand what you are asking. You said the local community is predominantly muslim. What did you mean by that?
        gadders 9mo ago
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        YeGoblynQueenne 9mo ago
        I see, you're just taking the mickey.
        gadders 9mo ago
        Yes, deservedly so.
        gadders 9mo ago
        I'll do the googling for you though: Demographics of Aston Ward (Local Area) Asian/Asian British: A very large majority, with some reports showing over 70%, including a significant Pakistani community (around 38% of the total population). Black/African/Caribbean: The second-largest group, making up about 26%. White British: Around 18%. Foreign-Born: Over 44% of the population was born outside the UK. Religion: Islam is the most prominent religion (around 54%), followed by Christianity (26%).
- amiga386 9mo ago
  The local community near Aston Villa's grounds, Villa Park, is predominantly Muslim. Take a look at this map of data from the 2011 census. The dark green lumps in the north-west (>70% Muslim) and the green lumps surrounding them (45%-70% Muslim) are Perry Barr. The whitish lump (0%-5% Muslim) immediately to the east of a dark green lump is Aston. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Islam_Birmingham_2011_census.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Islam_Birmingham_201... May I introduce you to the local MP? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/oct/17/keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest-news-updates-maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-banned https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/oct/17/keir-s... > But the decision has been welcomed by Ayoub Khan, the MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, the constituency where the match will take place. He organised a petition calling for the match to be either cancelled, relocated or held behind closed doors [...] > Khan is one of the five independent MPs elected at the last election wholly or partly because of their outright opposition to Israel’s war in Gaza and his petition suggests that his opposition to the match going ahead is motivated as much by the desire to make a political point about Israel’s conduct as by concerns about the risk of violence. The petition cites three reasons why the match should not go ahead. One is the “track record of violence by Maccabi Tel Aviv fans”, but the others are the “ongoing genocide in Gaza” and the “wider European context”. The petition says: > As Israel continues its assault on Gaza, killing thousands and devastating civilian infrastructure, sporting fixtures involving Israeli teams cannot be separated from the wider political context. Hosting such teams sends a message of normalisation and indifference to mass atrocities. With this in mind, perhaps you can see there was as much a political and sectarian religious element to WMP's decision as there was a security element.
  - constantius 9mo ago
    Don't know what the "wider European context" is, but a public official campaigning to boycott and sanction a country carrying out a genocide is not in any way bad. That the UK authorised that match to happen instead of sanctioning Israel is the shameful part, not Khan's conduct. And your opinion about there being a "religious sectarian element" is very subjective even though it's presented as fact. People from Arabic/Middle-Eastern countries (who are majority Muslim) are indeed especially sensitive to Israel's apartheid/killings, but that has much more to do with their own marginalisation and history than with their religion I'd wager. As evidence, I'm sure these matches were happily going along before Israel started killing 100 people per day, no? In short, that a public official did the right thing when his country's government couldn't is, again, laudable. This is I think the third reply I make to you, not because I follow you around, but because every time I read a post full of "implications" and concern for the innocent citizens having to deal with evil people, it happens to be you posting it...

by gadders 9mo ago

YeGoblynQueenne 9mo ago

Do you mean the West Midlands is predominantly muslim?

gadders 9mo ago
I don't know the make up of all of the West Midlands, sorry.
- YeGoblynQueenne 9mo ago
  You say the local community is predominantly muslim.
  - gadders 9mo ago
    What do you consider local to Aston Villa's ground?
    - YeGoblynQueenne 9mo ago
      I don't understand what you are asking. You said the local community is predominantly muslim. What did you mean by that?
      - gadders 9mo ago
        [flagged]
        YeGoblynQueenne 9mo ago
        I see, you're just taking the mickey.
        gadders 9mo ago
        Yes, deservedly so.
      - gadders 9mo ago
        I'll do the googling for you though: Demographics of Aston Ward (Local Area) Asian/Asian British: A very large majority, with some reports showing over 70%, including a significant Pakistani community (around 38% of the total population). Black/African/Caribbean: The second-largest group, making up about 26%. White British: Around 18%. Foreign-Born: Over 44% of the population was born outside the UK. Religion: Islam is the most prominent religion (around 54%), followed by Christianity (26%).
amiga386 9mo ago
The local community near Aston Villa's grounds, Villa Park, is predominantly Muslim. Take a look at this map of data from the 2011 census. The dark green lumps in the north-west (>70% Muslim) and the green lumps surrounding them (45%-70% Muslim) are Perry Barr. The whitish lump (0%-5% Muslim) immediately to the east of a dark green lump is Aston. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Islam_Birmingham_2011_census.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Islam_Birmingham_201... May I introduce you to the local MP? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/oct/17/keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest-news-updates-maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-banned https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/oct/17/keir-s... > But the decision has been welcomed by Ayoub Khan, the MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, the constituency where the match will take place. He organised a petition calling for the match to be either cancelled, relocated or held behind closed doors [...] > Khan is one of the five independent MPs elected at the last election wholly or partly because of their outright opposition to Israel’s war in Gaza and his petition suggests that his opposition to the match going ahead is motivated as much by the desire to make a political point about Israel’s conduct as by concerns about the risk of violence. The petition cites three reasons why the match should not go ahead. One is the “track record of violence by Maccabi Tel Aviv fans”, but the others are the “ongoing genocide in Gaza” and the “wider European context”. The petition says: > As Israel continues its assault on Gaza, killing thousands and devastating civilian infrastructure, sporting fixtures involving Israeli teams cannot be separated from the wider political context. Hosting such teams sends a message of normalisation and indifference to mass atrocities. With this in mind, perhaps you can see there was as much a political and sectarian religious element to WMP's decision as there was a security element.
- constantius 9mo ago
  Don't know what the "wider European context" is, but a public official campaigning to boycott and sanction a country carrying out a genocide is not in any way bad. That the UK authorised that match to happen instead of sanctioning Israel is the shameful part, not Khan's conduct. And your opinion about there being a "religious sectarian element" is very subjective even though it's presented as fact. People from Arabic/Middle-Eastern countries (who are majority Muslim) are indeed especially sensitive to Israel's apartheid/killings, but that has much more to do with their own marginalisation and history than with their religion I'd wager. As evidence, I'm sure these matches were happily going along before Israel started killing 100 people per day, no? In short, that a public official did the right thing when his country's government couldn't is, again, laudable. This is I think the third reply I make to you, not because I follow you around, but because every time I read a post full of "implications" and concern for the innocent citizens having to deal with evil people, it happens to be you posting it...