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Felons and certified-insaned should be banned from firearms for life. OK, ex-felon can still have a muzzle-loading musket, here in USA. 3-D firmware restrictio

Felons and certified-insaned should be banned from firearms for life. OK, ex-felon can still have a muzzle-loading musket, here in USA. 3-D firmware restriction? Good luck with that. Open-source 3-D printer software makes this next to impossible.

frogperson 9mo ago
I can agree with the clinically ill, but when you consider the disproportionately high conviction rate of people of color, then the felony restriction becomes a racist stance. You didnt mention this, but I am also against restricting service members with a dishonorable discharge. For many people, gun ownership is a large part of thier community and thier lives. These folks would have to choose between following every order (legal or not), or going home and being left out of their community and culture for the rest of thier lives. It's a huge amount of leverage to make soldiers shut up and comply.
timeon 9mo ago
> Felons and certified-insaned should be banned from firearms for life. And government.
- randombits0 9mo ago
  You’ve stumbled into a stance by pro-2A folks: The government should not have a monopoly on violence.
  - Wobbles42 9mo ago
    That is the root of most arguments I have seen, both pro and anti gun. If people fundamentally disagree about whether the government should have a total monopoly on violence they are unlikely to come to agreement on the issue of gun control. I'd rather recognize a fundamental values difference with someone than try to argue a bunch of rational points in bad faith, though. No sense raising blood pressure in a discussion that is doomed to be unproductive for both people. Full disclosure: I am personally on the "Belt fed machine guns should be dispensed from vending machines in elementary schools" end of the spectrum. My views probably don't matter to my point above, but more openness about bias is better.
    - randombits0 9mo ago
      Vending machines? You’re going to make the poor little tots pay for their own machine guns? :)

frogperson 9mo ago

I can agree with the clinically ill, but when you consider the disproportionately high conviction rate of people of color, then the felony restriction becomes a racist stance. You didnt mention this, but I am also against restricting service members with a dishonorable discharge. For many people, gun ownership is a large part of thier community and thier lives. These folks would have to choose between following every order (legal or not), or going home and being left out of their community and culture for the rest of thier lives. It's a huge amount of leverage to make soldiers shut up and comply.

timeon 9mo ago

> Felons and certified-insaned should be banned from firearms for life. And government.

randombits0 9mo ago
You’ve stumbled into a stance by pro-2A folks: The government should not have a monopoly on violence.
- Wobbles42 9mo ago
  That is the root of most arguments I have seen, both pro and anti gun. If people fundamentally disagree about whether the government should have a total monopoly on violence they are unlikely to come to agreement on the issue of gun control. I'd rather recognize a fundamental values difference with someone than try to argue a bunch of rational points in bad faith, though. No sense raising blood pressure in a discussion that is doomed to be unproductive for both people. Full disclosure: I am personally on the "Belt fed machine guns should be dispensed from vending machines in elementary schools" end of the spectrum. My views probably don't matter to my point above, but more openness about bias is better.
  - randombits0 9mo ago
    Vending machines? You’re going to make the poor little tots pay for their own machine guns? :)