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Luckily, the orange idiot in charge is doing us (the Europeans) a favor showing us that America (and its companies) are no longer a trustworthy partner. In a wa

Luckily, the orange idiot in charge is doing us (the Europeans) a favor showing us that America (and its companies) are no longer a trustworthy partner. In a way i really hope he goes through with the Greenland stuff... this would be the final nail in the coffin.

Forgeties79 9mo ago
Brexit didn’t do anything to correct the UK’s current trajectory. I guarantee you even destroying the relationship with NATO would not shift the course the US is on. Every time something extreme happens, people gasp for a second then accept it and move on. I don’t think the situation in the US is hopeless by any means, but Greenland is not going to suddenly be some magical moment that wakes everybody up. We’ve done this song and dance for a decade with Trump. After the attack on the capitol it be became very clear that it’s going to take a hell of a lot more than we thought.
- bondarchuk 9mo ago
  GP was not about America changing but about Europe.
  - Forgeties79 9mo ago
    I originally read it as “the final nail in the coffin for him and the shenanigans coming out of the US” but yeah I see I read it wrong now.
- piltdownman 9mo ago
  Brexit wasn't an exercise in Imperialism and power-projection though, it was a dissolution of federated oversight and grant conditions to facilitate a transfer of wealth from the working classes to a select group of oligarchs. They, in essence, traded 10% of their GDP for Regulatory Independence and UK’s accession to the trans-pacific partnership, estimated by the government to be worth only 0.06% of GDP by 2040. If the Falklands represented a major turning point, then imo Greenland does too. The simple mustering of an international task-force of troops for defense is a move unprecedented in the 21st Century. The recent Spectator article correctly identifies Trump as “playing geopolitical Monopoly with Greenland”, which holds substantial mineral as well as strategic value in the president’s eyes. The author identified presidential “ego-politics” as a plausible top reason, along with a US quest for hemispheric power and sending a message to rival powers - concluding by noting that both Britain and France hold territories in the western hemisphere and asking if they could be next on Trump’s list. https://spectator.com/article/trump-is-playing-geopolitical-monopoly-with-greenland/ https://spectator.com/article/trump-is-playing-geopolitical-...
  - Forgeties79 9mo ago
    Please read my response to the other comment
taneliv 9mo ago
I suppose you're not one of the conscripted (or even professional) soldiers that would be called to duty to protect the region in case of an armed conflict?
- RalfWausE 9mo ago
  I am in the reserve of the german army, so i can be called up if things escalate beyond a certain point (the so called "Verteidigungsfall").
  - taneliv 9mo ago
    Oh, I see. I'm in a similar position, but would rather not see things escalate at all. Even so, it is difficult to see how the relations between Europe and the US would return to what they have been for a long time. But a real conflict would be an entirely different scenario, with very unpredictable, yet possibly world changing consequences. We know that appeasement has never worked. Hence we must be prepared. But to wish for this sort of escalation is a step too much for me. I hope that people in positions of power have cool heads. But also that they remember history. (I see I was downvoted quite a bit, not sure why, though.)
ta20240528 9mo ago
Europe is desperately trying to find some way to let US have "control" without destroying the Danish kingdom; A Minsk Agreement for Greenland if you will. They don't have the stomach for a fight.
- bootsmann 9mo ago
  Very bold claim to make unsourced from an account with a very _interesting_ posting history.
  - ta20240528 9mo ago
    What am I supposed to take from that? It's not even a valid English sentence.
  - ta20240528 9mo ago
    Keir Starmer yesterday: "I will speak to Trump again. We must find a pragmatic solution to this." QED.
- joe_mamba 9mo ago
  Greenland invasion is just a distraction by Trump from the Epstein files. The US already have massive military presence in Greenland with permission from Denmark since the 1950s, they can already do whatever illegal things they want there (and they have, like installing a portable nuclear reactor), without the downsides that come with actual ownership of the island. They already have a really sweet deal. Trump keeps talking about taking it because he knows the media will bite the bait and talk about that instead and forget about the epstein list and other illegal shit his administration did. Remember how he was also talking about annexing Canada in his election? Trump just loves to bait the media by saying crazy stuff since the media feeds on sensationalist stuff like that.
  - rob74 9mo ago
    So, he wants to distract from past illegal shit by doing more illegal shit? Doesn't sound like a viable long-term strategy to me... But yeah, I also wonder what would happen if the media would just stop dissecting every late-night bleat (as some commentators have decided to call his Truth Social posts) and start treating them as what they are (the ramblings of a deranged 79-year old) instead? But of course those ramblings now spill into other places too: plaques on the "presidential walk of fame" (https://eu.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/politics/2025/12/17/see-the-new-white-house-presidential-walk-of-fame-plaques/87817924007/ https://eu.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/politics/2025/1...), letters to allies (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-letter-greenland-nobel-peace-b2903022.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-letter...) etc.
zo1 9mo ago
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- RalfWausE 9mo ago
  Regarding the "sane countries" i can only say: Please, for the love of the deity you may worship, please distance yourself faster and farther...

Forgeties79 9mo ago

Brexit didn’t do anything to correct the UK’s current trajectory. I guarantee you even destroying the relationship with NATO would not shift the course the US is on. Every time something extreme happens, people gasp for a second then accept it and move on. I don’t think the situation in the US is hopeless by any means, but Greenland is not going to suddenly be some magical moment that wakes everybody up. We’ve done this song and dance for a decade with Trump. After the attack on the capitol it be became very clear that it’s going to take a hell of a lot more than we thought.

bondarchuk 9mo ago
GP was not about America changing but about Europe.
- Forgeties79 9mo ago
  I originally read it as “the final nail in the coffin for him and the shenanigans coming out of the US” but yeah I see I read it wrong now.
piltdownman 9mo ago
Brexit wasn't an exercise in Imperialism and power-projection though, it was a dissolution of federated oversight and grant conditions to facilitate a transfer of wealth from the working classes to a select group of oligarchs. They, in essence, traded 10% of their GDP for Regulatory Independence and UK’s accession to the trans-pacific partnership, estimated by the government to be worth only 0.06% of GDP by 2040. If the Falklands represented a major turning point, then imo Greenland does too. The simple mustering of an international task-force of troops for defense is a move unprecedented in the 21st Century. The recent Spectator article correctly identifies Trump as “playing geopolitical Monopoly with Greenland”, which holds substantial mineral as well as strategic value in the president’s eyes. The author identified presidential “ego-politics” as a plausible top reason, along with a US quest for hemispheric power and sending a message to rival powers - concluding by noting that both Britain and France hold territories in the western hemisphere and asking if they could be next on Trump’s list. https://spectator.com/article/trump-is-playing-geopolitical-monopoly-with-greenland/ https://spectator.com/article/trump-is-playing-geopolitical-...
- Forgeties79 9mo ago
  Please read my response to the other comment

taneliv 9mo ago

I suppose you're not one of the conscripted (or even professional) soldiers that would be called to duty to protect the region in case of an armed conflict?

RalfWausE 9mo ago
I am in the reserve of the german army, so i can be called up if things escalate beyond a certain point (the so called "Verteidigungsfall").
- taneliv 9mo ago
  Oh, I see. I'm in a similar position, but would rather not see things escalate at all. Even so, it is difficult to see how the relations between Europe and the US would return to what they have been for a long time. But a real conflict would be an entirely different scenario, with very unpredictable, yet possibly world changing consequences. We know that appeasement has never worked. Hence we must be prepared. But to wish for this sort of escalation is a step too much for me. I hope that people in positions of power have cool heads. But also that they remember history. (I see I was downvoted quite a bit, not sure why, though.)

ta20240528 9mo ago

Europe is desperately trying to find some way to let US have "control" without destroying the Danish kingdom; A Minsk Agreement for Greenland if you will. They don't have the stomach for a fight.

bootsmann 9mo ago
Very bold claim to make unsourced from an account with a very _interesting_ posting history.
- ta20240528 9mo ago
  What am I supposed to take from that? It's not even a valid English sentence.
- ta20240528 9mo ago
  Keir Starmer yesterday: "I will speak to Trump again. We must find a pragmatic solution to this." QED.
joe_mamba 9mo ago
Greenland invasion is just a distraction by Trump from the Epstein files. The US already have massive military presence in Greenland with permission from Denmark since the 1950s, they can already do whatever illegal things they want there (and they have, like installing a portable nuclear reactor), without the downsides that come with actual ownership of the island. They already have a really sweet deal. Trump keeps talking about taking it because he knows the media will bite the bait and talk about that instead and forget about the epstein list and other illegal shit his administration did. Remember how he was also talking about annexing Canada in his election? Trump just loves to bait the media by saying crazy stuff since the media feeds on sensationalist stuff like that.
- rob74 9mo ago
  So, he wants to distract from past illegal shit by doing more illegal shit? Doesn't sound like a viable long-term strategy to me... But yeah, I also wonder what would happen if the media would just stop dissecting every late-night bleat (as some commentators have decided to call his Truth Social posts) and start treating them as what they are (the ramblings of a deranged 79-year old) instead? But of course those ramblings now spill into other places too: plaques on the "presidential walk of fame" (https://eu.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/politics/2025/12/17/see-the-new-white-house-presidential-walk-of-fame-plaques/87817924007/ https://eu.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/politics/2025/1...), letters to allies (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-letter-greenland-nobel-peace-b2903022.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-letter...) etc.

zo1 9mo ago

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RalfWausE 9mo ago
Regarding the "sane countries" i can only say: Please, for the love of the deity you may worship, please distance yourself faster and farther...