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Seeing news like this, I wonder whether there is a market for an OSS Android and/or Linux distribution that provides the management comfort of Chromebooks witho
by nehalem 8mo ago
Seeing news like this, I wonder whether there is a market for an OSS Android and/or Linux distribution that provides the management comfort of Chromebooks without being tied to Google, Apple or Microsoft. A little like Keycloak but one layer higher.
- fsflover 8mo ago> Android > without being tied to Google That's a contradiction.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 8mo agoNo. I'm on GrapheneOS and not tied to Google. You must be thinking of the Google Play Services but these aren't required by GrapheneOS.
- pjmlp 8mo agoAs long as it depends on Google paying upstream development that GrapheneOS updates from, it is tied to Google. Now if GrapheneOS was its own thing without additional AOSP code updates.
- philipallstar 8mo agoThis becomes sophistry, though. "tied to" in a way that doesn't matter, doesn't matter.
- pjmlp 8mo agoAh but it does, as Google can decide to close down AOSP shop at any moment.
- microtonal 8mo agoIf that happens, the world can always try to fork. Until then it seems kind of pointless to do so?
- pjmlp 8mo agoTry is the keyword here. Hence why these efforts should not rely on US institutions good will in first place.
- metalman 8mo agoCan try to fork?, china , russia, and lots of smaller countrys are steadily moving away and as basic introperability standards for phone and internet will remain, they can do this, and pressure is also mounting to get a linux phone fully functional, that will alao happen. And in a world where Guggappl is providing genocide and abduction services, Billions would happily choose other alternatives.
- kombine 8mo agoChina and Russia are likewise involved in their own genocides (Uyghurs and Ukraine respectively), and they are just as interested in developing centralised systems of control. They will not give the world truly free and open platform.
- metalman 8mo ago"They will not give the world truly free and open platform", uhuhu!, but we are giving them the pivot point to claim the flag of freedom , rather than just doing that ourselves. also, one more move from you know who, and a whole lot of countrys will have to very seriously start looking for stable deals that last longer than it takes the ink to dry. China just ghosted nvidia, on the "something 200" ai chip to start shipping in march, tsmc and all there suppliers have stood down on that, and will of course, instantly re focus on the next job, which might be a batch of chips for fairphones....
- fsflover 8mo ago
- realusername 8mo agoThe day they do that, Android will just be a Chinese product and Google will lose control over it.
- pjmlp 8mo agoHuawei took control of its own destiny instead of relying on Google forks. https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/design/ https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/design/ https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/harmonyos/develop/ https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/harmonyos/develop/
- realusername 8mo agoIndeed and if Google would pull the plug on AOSP, some initiative like this would become the de facto Android standard.
- pjmlp 8mo agoI doubt that people advocating for GrapheneOS would pivot to a Chinese powered platform.
- realusername 8mo agoThey would have to follow like everybody else, they aren't powerful enough to dictate market trends. 8 out of the top 10 Android manufacturers are Chinese. Google would just lose the ownership of Android to a Chinese consortium used by everybody else.
- izacus 8mo agoI love your optimism. What you'll see is return to 2000s where you may have had "Symbian" as the operating system, but the phones weren't compatible between themselves and apps broke and didn't work across manufacturers (or even product lines) because there was noone enforcing compatibility. I wonder if you forgot that or you're too young to remember what kind of bizarre hell mobile development was at that time. Heck, even early Android was really hard to develop for because CTS suite didn't cover enough and all of us spent hours upon hours (and many dollars) trying to reproduce and fix Samsung, Huawei, HTC and other bugs.
- catlikesshrimp 8mo agoIt is tied to google inasmuch all target phones are google branded. https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices Hopefully that can change, in the future
- fsflover 8mo agoIt's tied to Google's development strategy, such as removal of Manifest-V2, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41905368 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41905368
- JCattheATM 8mo agoIt could change now, it could have changed years ago, they just have no interest in trying. It's pretty annoying honestly.
- izacus 8mo agoNo, we're thinking about the fact that Android is Google owned and developed and no removal of Play Services changes that. Every Android ROM is critically dependant on Googles work to actually develop and secure the OS.
- brnt 8mo agoAnyone on Graphene is tied tot Google, for it requires Google hardware.
- calgoo 8mo agoWith all the US/EU issues currently, you might even be able to spin up a company to support European services that need management based on OSS management software.
- roryirvine 8mo agoUbuntu is pretty strong already in that niche - either using Landscape as a first party management solution, but it also tends to be the distro most-commonly recommended by the big third-party MDM vendors like Scalefusion and Jumpcloud. Not sure what their mobile story is like, but they certainly cover laptop / desktops.
- mariusor 8mo agoIf Android is not a blocker, maybe even then, Jolla, a Finnish company, has been offering a Linux based mobile OS for quite some time. I frankly don't get why other EU companies building the hardware, like Fairphone and Volta, don't partner up with them.