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What we know so far: 1. The last 3 cars from the Iryo train (Frecciarossa 1000) derailed for unknown reasons. It's a straight line, so this is extremely rare.
by rr2841 9mo ago
What we know so far:
1. The last 3 cars from the Iryo train (Frecciarossa 1000) derailed for unknown reasons. It's a straight line, so this is extremely rare.
2. The Renfe train (Alvia) didn't have time to break and hit the derailed trains from Iryo, the two first cars derail as a consequence of the impact.
3. The Iryo train(Frecciarossa 1000), that caused the accident, was manufactured in 2022 and it passed a technical inspection just 4 days ago.
4. The renovation of this specific part of the infrastructure finished on May 2025, so it's practically new.
Spanish high speed trains are one of the best in the world and it had plenty investment from governments of different sign over the years. This has nothing to do with the regional network (Cercanias) and the local struggles in certain regions.
IMHO, this is a horribly timed accidental technical issue.
https://english.elpais.com/spain/2026-01-19/at-least-39-dead-in-collision-between-two-high-speed-trains-in-spain.html https://english.elpais.com/spain/2026-01-19/at-least-39-dead...
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- bflesch 9mo ago[flagged]
- benterix 9mo agoI don't think Russians are directly behind this. They targeted trains in Poland twice, but I suspect the next targets would be in Germany, France and the UK, and not Spain which is relatively conservative in supporting Ukraine.
- bflesch 9mo ago[flagged]
- aa-jv 9mo agoLiterally nothing you have said is backed up by any evidence. Provide evidence, please, or retract your nonsense claims.
- bflesch 9mo ago[flagged]
- aa-jv 9mo agoOpinion is not fact. Provide some facts to support your atrocious claims. You have provided only an opinion based on specious references to groupthink.
- bflesch 9mo ago[flagged]
- anthk 9mo agoSpaniard here. Nope; we are full of "take the money and run" type CEO's, where they even blamed the train driver. He might be partially accountable, but it wasn't his fault in the very end. This happened in 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_de_Compostela_derailment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_de_Compostela_derailm...
- bflesch 9mo agoAttacks by russia on German railways happen at least once per month, the last one happened yesterday and a train with chemicals was targeted. They attack our production. - https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/gueterzug-lok-entgleist-hattersheim-beeintraechtigung-und-ausfaelle-im-zugverkehr-in-rheinland-pfalz-100.html - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EudOiRZ7txs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dHN9ZnaZI0 - https://www.hessenschau.de/tv-sendung/gueterzug-entgleist--bahnverkehr-lahmgelegt--hessenschau-vom-13052025,video-210638.html
- anthk 8mo agoSpain is not Germany geopolitically.
- elnatro 9mo agoYou left out that the machinists warned about the bad state of the railway tracks and asked for reducing the train speed[1]. There is underfunding in all the railway network. [1]: https://www.eldebate.com/economia/20250809/maquinistas-piden-bajar-velocidad-ave-mal-estado-vias_324568.html https://www.eldebate.com/economia/20250809/maquinistas-piden...
- logicallee 9mo ago>You left out that the machinists warned about the bad state of the railway tracks and asked for reducing the train speed Since two trains collided, wouldn't that have happened regardless of the state of the railway tracks?
- Rygian 9mo agoOne possible scenario is that the tracks fail in a way that causes one of the trains to derail and hit the other one.
- whizzter 9mo agoThe collision was due to one train derailing first, if that was due to the track (as mentioned in andy12_'s toplevel comment) then listening to warnings could perhaps have avoided the accident.
- zdragnar 9mo agoCould have, though both trains were going slower than what the mechanic union asked for. Either or wasn't a factor, or the conditions were even worse than all parties believed.
- whizzter 9mo agoSome have mentioned that the tracks were installed during may 2025, it's also the first winter so track issues and then thermal contraction could've cause too much strain.
- dust42 9mo agoThere are reports from passengers that the train rattled before the accident. So my guess is a broken wheel rim and subsequently the train derailed at the track switch then also damaging the opposite track. Accident location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Cek9DgChguXJxVpd6 https://maps.app.goo.gl/Cek9DgChguXJxVpd6 The italian is about 400m north at the technical building with the two antennas.
- Rygian 9mo agoIn point number 3, you state that one of the trains caused the accident, whereas the cause of the accident is not yet known and could be for example an issue in the rails themselves.
- rr2841 9mo agoYes, that was not accurate and you're correct, it's still not clear what caused the first train to derail to begin with. The way I looked at it is that the first train derailing wasn't a big issue, I don't think it caused any injuries. What was really catastrophic was the impact with the second train.
- Rygian 9mo agoIt is now confirmed that the cause of the accident was the welding on rail track number 23117. https://www.abc.es/espana/andalucia/cordoba/via-l10717-salto-hizo-descarrilar-tren-iryo-20260119184142-nts.html https://www.abc.es/espana/andalucia/cordoba/via-l10717-salto...
- didntknowyou 9mo agoalso the derailed carriages crashed rolled down a hill which complicated things further
- t0mas88 9mo ago> 3. The Iryo train(Frecciarossa 1000), that caused the accident, was manufactured in 2022 and it passed a technical inspection just 4 days ago. The inspection is a risk factor. There is data from the aviation industry for example that engine incidents on an engine that is certified for some thousands of hours of operation between inspection happen disproportionally in the first 100 hours (and then again at the end of the inspection interval). The inspection itself is an intervention that causes incidents.
- TaupeRanger 9mo agoIatrogenesis is everywhere! Medicine, engineering, economics, politics, etc.
- impish9208 9mo agoI didn’t know this concept had a name, so thanks for that. Now I have a fancy sounding term to tell my manager why I won’t touch that ugly EnterpriseJavaBeans codebase and that we need to rewrite it from scratch.
- moralestapia 8mo agoThat's not what Iatrogenesis means, though ... Unless you plan to give medicine to your code.
- TaupeRanger 8mo ago“That’s not what Bug means though, unless you plan to put literal insects inside your computer”
- moralestapia 8mo agoIatro- means medicine ... Check a dictionary or something.
- verytrivial 9mo agoAssuming no foul play, it's going to be a Points Failure, isn't it? Like Potters Bar (2002) where most of the train makes it through, but rattles/breaks some weak point that was just holding on, and the last carriages change tracks. But at 250mph. Shocking stuff.
- cft 9mo agolatest: https://www-elmundo-es.translate.goog/economia/2026/01/19/696e55e7fdddff8e118b458b.html?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-elmundo-es.translate.goog/economia/2026/01/19/69... looks like it's a rail welding failure.
- rayiner 9mo agoThis is tragic, but I hope it doesn't put a damper on Spanish high-speed train development. They've really done a remarkable job building out their network in a cost-effective manner.