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Why did Minneapolis end up getting more ire than Chicago? I thought it was Chicago that Trump wouldn't shut up about this whole time

__MatrixMan__ 9mo ago
I'm not especially in the know about such things. Is there a Chicago politician that crossed Trump such that revenge against Chicago would be in the cards? I assume this is about Walz running against him. It would be California (due to Harris) but they're probably in a better position to fight back than Michigan is.
greggoB 9mo ago
Might have to do with the size of the city - I've heard through the grapevine that even Minneapolis is too big and they're thinking of shifting to some city in Maine or New Hampshire. "Too big" supposedly meaning orchestrating something that allows them to have the optics without the potential for fallout. This is really speculation though.
jshier 9mo ago
They found a weakness to justify an increase in violence to their base: the day care corruption. Despite the fact that most of that was found and prosecuted years ago, right-wing influencers were successfully able to bring it back to the forefront, and the administration jumped on it to justify an increased ICE presence, naturally leading to the violence we see. They didn't get the same thing in Chicago, where ICE avoided most of the areas likely to see violence in the first place. And they didn't leave Chicago, they just aren't publicizing it like they were.
tptacek 9mo ago
Because of the fraud scandal and the concentration of cases among the Somali community there (that those people are generally citizens and not immigrants or refugees is besides the point to the administration). The MN fraud story is a huge big deal in conservative media.
- Ferret7446 9mo ago
  Is fraud legal for citizens? (Since you brought it up as a point)
  - tptacek 9mo ago
    No, but the premise of the ICE/CBP flood to MN is that the fraud is being conducted by deportable people. Note that ICE/CBP has no statutory authority to enforce fraud laws.
    - Ferret7446 9mo ago
      My understanding is that the "flood" is due to the state not assisting and arguably impeding ICE, vs states like Florida where the state is cooperating so they don't need as much ICE to do the work. It sounds like the fraud is being used as a red herring by detractors. AFAIK, committing fraud does not protect illegal immigrants from deportation, which seems to be the implied conclusion here. If ICE deports illegal immigrants who are also committing fraud, I can't see how that is a minus rather than a plus.
      - tptacek 9mo ago
        Nobody claimed that "committing fraud protects illegal immigrants from deportation", and I don't understand how that even makes sense.
- blactuary 9mo ago
  And the ringleader of the fraud was a white woman who is awaiting sentencing, but they ignore that part
  - ivewonyoung 9mo ago
    That was just one case. There's a lot of other decentralized fraud that had nothing to do with that person.
0928374082 9mo ago
Would George Floyd have anything to do with it? Or is that just coincidence?

__MatrixMan__ 9mo ago

I'm not especially in the know about such things. Is there a Chicago politician that crossed Trump such that revenge against Chicago would be in the cards? I assume this is about Walz running against him. It would be California (due to Harris) but they're probably in a better position to fight back than Michigan is.

greggoB 9mo ago

Might have to do with the size of the city - I've heard through the grapevine that even Minneapolis is too big and they're thinking of shifting to some city in Maine or New Hampshire. "Too big" supposedly meaning orchestrating something that allows them to have the optics without the potential for fallout. This is really speculation though.

jshier 9mo ago

They found a weakness to justify an increase in violence to their base: the day care corruption. Despite the fact that most of that was found and prosecuted years ago, right-wing influencers were successfully able to bring it back to the forefront, and the administration jumped on it to justify an increased ICE presence, naturally leading to the violence we see. They didn't get the same thing in Chicago, where ICE avoided most of the areas likely to see violence in the first place. And they didn't leave Chicago, they just aren't publicizing it like they were.

tptacek 9mo ago

Because of the fraud scandal and the concentration of cases among the Somali community there (that those people are generally citizens and not immigrants or refugees is besides the point to the administration). The MN fraud story is a huge big deal in conservative media.

Ferret7446 9mo ago
Is fraud legal for citizens? (Since you brought it up as a point)
- tptacek 9mo ago
  No, but the premise of the ICE/CBP flood to MN is that the fraud is being conducted by deportable people. Note that ICE/CBP has no statutory authority to enforce fraud laws.
  - Ferret7446 9mo ago
    My understanding is that the "flood" is due to the state not assisting and arguably impeding ICE, vs states like Florida where the state is cooperating so they don't need as much ICE to do the work. It sounds like the fraud is being used as a red herring by detractors. AFAIK, committing fraud does not protect illegal immigrants from deportation, which seems to be the implied conclusion here. If ICE deports illegal immigrants who are also committing fraud, I can't see how that is a minus rather than a plus.
    - tptacek 9mo ago
      Nobody claimed that "committing fraud protects illegal immigrants from deportation", and I don't understand how that even makes sense.
blactuary 9mo ago
And the ringleader of the fraud was a white woman who is awaiting sentencing, but they ignore that part
- ivewonyoung 9mo ago
  That was just one case. There's a lot of other decentralized fraud that had nothing to do with that person.

0928374082 9mo ago

Would George Floyd have anything to do with it? Or is that just coincidence?