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Y'see, this is exactly what I mean: "You may have a problem" was carefully much more neutral than your reaction here. > Oh yeah the coup where no one brought f

by ben_w 10mo ago

Y'see, this is exactly what I mean: "You may have a problem" was carefully much more neutral than your reaction here. > Oh yeah the coup where no one brought firearms and the only person shot was a protester? Multiple individuals connected to Jan 6 were found with guns and ammunition: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-weapons-deadly-dangerous/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-weapons-deadly-dan... and https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters... > The cop who shot Ashley Babbit was given “de facto immunity.” Video from inside the Capitol building showed her attempting to climb through a broken window outside the House chamber when the officer, who was guarding the entrance from the rioters, fired. As in, while committing a crime. Not through the *side* window of a car. > Half the country is outraged that leftists think just because they don’t like immigration law, as it is written and voted for, that it’s okay to obstruct deportations and drive vehicles into innocent ICE officers doing their job. Read this carefully: Side. Window. She (Renne Good) did not, and could not, have been driving the car into the person who shot her through the side window. Because, and I don't know if this is news to you, cars do not drive sideways. > If Oklahoma declared itself a sanctuary state from unions and declared it didn’t have to adhere labor law would you agree with their right to do so? If Salt Lake City decided to be a sanctuary for polygamy and underage marriage and started obstructing the FBI when they came in to arrest people would you be cheering? What about! What about! What about! The current administration is violating your own constitution. The behaviour of ICE is unlawful within your own rules. > Imagine the chaos if every city just ignored the laws they don’t like. I don't need to imagine, it looks like Trump. > Calling each other facists and nazis is just lazy, inaccurate, and an excuse for elevating oneself over ones political opponents. There are bronze plaques on the ground in my city dedicated to the victims of fascism. I don't speak for others, but I tell you this myself: Trump has been following the same footsteps as those whose dishonour is memorialised by the names of their victims upon those plaques.

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- ben_w 10mo ago
  > And Facism starts with civilians who act as enforcers and intimidators, not with the police. Hitler’s brown shirts and Mussolini's black shirts elevated the Facists to power. The SS came afterwords. Antifa is far closer to the brownshirts than any other organization in the US. Power through intimidation and chaos. Facist. Here's a video of the people you refuse to recognise meet that exact description: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capitol_riot-_Videos_shows_men_beat,_drag_officer_into_savage_mob.webm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capitol_riot-_Videos_show... As you're not willing to listen to words, there's no point me wasting effort debunking the rest.
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    - ben_w 10mo ago
      > I am more than willing to listen. You seem to be the one who ignores words. You have, here, changed the subject and disregarded reality and projected what-about on me as rhetoric, and even on this comment are motte-and-bailey-ing: > I never claimed the J6 crowd to be non-violent? I started by introducing them as an example of a thing where failing to see that they were violent and dangerous was a sign of having a problem. You reacted explosively. You what-about-ed with Babbit. You deflected, you tried to diminish the riot, you claimed there were no firearms. You have a problem. I maintain that your own words: And Facism starts with civilians who act as enforcers and intimidators, not with the police. Hitler’s brown shirts and Mussolini's black shirts elevated the Facists to power. describe the J6 crowd, who are your civilians acting as enforcers and intimidators. I could also add: The SS came afterwords. Today is 5 years later than J6. > They did not systematically intimidate fellow citizens nation wide while hiding behind masks. If you bothered to watch that video, you'd see many of them were behind masks. If you'd bothered to watch the video of (or indeed still pictures from just before) the, to use your word, "murder", of Reese Good, you'd see she wasn't. ICE however, do operate nationwide and do frequently wear masks. These days, anyway. They didn't used to feel the need to break their own rules. They didn't used to be the villains, according to not only "the left" but also other law enforcement. I really should be going to bed rather than wasting the effort to write this down, but I guess the impending risk of the end of the world is weighing heavily on me.

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ben_w 10mo ago
> And Facism starts with civilians who act as enforcers and intimidators, not with the police. Hitler’s brown shirts and Mussolini's black shirts elevated the Facists to power. The SS came afterwords. Antifa is far closer to the brownshirts than any other organization in the US. Power through intimidation and chaos. Facist. Here's a video of the people you refuse to recognise meet that exact description: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capitol_riot-_Videos_shows_men_beat,_drag_officer_into_savage_mob.webm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capitol_riot-_Videos_show... As you're not willing to listen to words, there's no point me wasting effort debunking the rest.
- rpiguy 10mo ago
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  - ben_w 10mo ago
    > I am more than willing to listen. You seem to be the one who ignores words. You have, here, changed the subject and disregarded reality and projected what-about on me as rhetoric, and even on this comment are motte-and-bailey-ing: > I never claimed the J6 crowd to be non-violent? I started by introducing them as an example of a thing where failing to see that they were violent and dangerous was a sign of having a problem. You reacted explosively. You what-about-ed with Babbit. You deflected, you tried to diminish the riot, you claimed there were no firearms. You have a problem. I maintain that your own words: And Facism starts with civilians who act as enforcers and intimidators, not with the police. Hitler’s brown shirts and Mussolini's black shirts elevated the Facists to power. describe the J6 crowd, who are your civilians acting as enforcers and intimidators. I could also add: The SS came afterwords. Today is 5 years later than J6. > They did not systematically intimidate fellow citizens nation wide while hiding behind masks. If you bothered to watch that video, you'd see many of them were behind masks. If you'd bothered to watch the video of (or indeed still pictures from just before) the, to use your word, "murder", of Reese Good, you'd see she wasn't. ICE however, do operate nationwide and do frequently wear masks. These days, anyway. They didn't used to feel the need to break their own rules. They didn't used to be the villains, according to not only "the left" but also other law enforcement. I really should be going to bed rather than wasting the effort to write this down, but I guess the impending risk of the end of the world is weighing heavily on me.