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Something tells me the military won't be joining the protesters

austin-cheney 9mo ago
Why not? Serious question. The military cannot join law enforcement, Posse Comitatus, and protesters have a right to protest. The military can only take action to limit violence and property destruction. So what happens if law enforcement is the more violent party? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
- sheikhnbake 9mo ago
  People keep citing law as if this administration has ever respected them. Realize that laws are just pieces of paper with words that are useless without enforcement. The administration has systematically removed leadership in both the military and the DoJ that aren't ideologues. Case in point: SOUTHCOM Further, internal DoJ and military checks and balances have been eviscerated for the last 12 months. Specifically military lawyers and inspectors general that are concerned with lawful conduct.
- maxerickson 9mo ago
  You are talking as if law is something more than a construct. Should we be optimistic that current law will be followed? Maybe. Does the existence of the law ensure it? Not at all.
- sparrish 9mo ago
  Because the 'protesters' are all riled up against 'the law' and will see these troops as opponents (like they see ICE). They'll attack the troops first and I firmly believe federal troops will respond (in defense) violently and in unison. That's the training. Minnesota has no clue how serious a can of whoop-ass they're about to pry open.
  - aebtebeten 9mo ago
    That's not the training; cf ATP 3-39.33: https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN35675-ATP_3-39.33-000-WEB-1.pdf#page=11 https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN35675-ATP_3-... > U.S forces responding to planned rallies and demonstrations, spontaneous crowds, and civil disturbances must follow the procedures best designed to deescalate crowd actions and to protect life, the rights and safety of the persons involved, and property.
- autoexec 9mo ago
  The majority of members of the military are trump supporters. We've already seen that it's extremely rare for even the national guard to support protesters in their own communities when being deployed against them We've already seen that the military will willfully follow trump's unlawful orders, including clear violations of international law Acting unlawfully and then falling back on "just following orders" is far less likely to have negative consequences for soldiers than refusing to follow unlawful orders would

Why not? Serious question. The military cannot join law enforcement, Posse Comitatus, and protesters have a right to protest. The military can only take action to limit violence and property destruction. So what happens if law enforcement is the more violent party? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

sheikhnbake 9mo ago
People keep citing law as if this administration has ever respected them. Realize that laws are just pieces of paper with words that are useless without enforcement. The administration has systematically removed leadership in both the military and the DoJ that aren't ideologues. Case in point: SOUTHCOM Further, internal DoJ and military checks and balances have been eviscerated for the last 12 months. Specifically military lawyers and inspectors general that are concerned with lawful conduct.
maxerickson 9mo ago
You are talking as if law is something more than a construct. Should we be optimistic that current law will be followed? Maybe. Does the existence of the law ensure it? Not at all.
sparrish 9mo ago
Because the 'protesters' are all riled up against 'the law' and will see these troops as opponents (like they see ICE). They'll attack the troops first and I firmly believe federal troops will respond (in defense) violently and in unison. That's the training. Minnesota has no clue how serious a can of whoop-ass they're about to pry open.
- aebtebeten 9mo ago
  That's not the training; cf ATP 3-39.33: https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN35675-ATP_3-39.33-000-WEB-1.pdf#page=11 https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN35675-ATP_3-... > U.S forces responding to planned rallies and demonstrations, spontaneous crowds, and civil disturbances must follow the procedures best designed to deescalate crowd actions and to protect life, the rights and safety of the persons involved, and property.
autoexec 9mo ago
The majority of members of the military are trump supporters. We've already seen that it's extremely rare for even the national guard to support protesters in their own communities when being deployed against them We've already seen that the military will willfully follow trump's unlawful orders, including clear violations of international law Acting unlawfully and then falling back on "just following orders" is far less likely to have negative consequences for soldiers than refusing to follow unlawful orders would