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i also find, with the arrival of catawiki (more a european market?), nice products for regular/normal prices seems hard to come by nowadays. Our "local" online

i also find, with the arrival of catawiki (more a european market?), nice products for regular/normal prices seems hard to come by nowadays. Our "local" online market (marktplaats.nl) is therefore losing its value, local (town/neighborhood) (whats)app groups seem to somewhat take over this roll within the digital space.

jorvi 9mo ago
This is a general trend worldwide. OP's writing is nice, but he is de facto a scalper looking for the maximum amount of arbitrage. There's enough of them, like mentioned in the article, that they'll pick any flea market or secondhand store clean off diamonds in the rough before you as a regular guy really get a chance to find any. What they're doing isn't illegal or forbidden, but it has completely destroyed the spirit of flea markets and secondhand stores as quaint places. And in response to becoming as hypercapitalist as the rest of society, a large contingent of people on flea markets has started to offer whole tables stuffed with cheap AliExpress / Temu crap. Or AI art being sold as "handmade". The enthusiast offering artisanal coffee or lemonade or cinnamon rolls from his stall or food truck has quadrupled his prices, because if everyone else is gouging the visitor, why shouldn't he? The same goes for secondhand clothing stores. They're wise to the scalpers looking to flip stuff on Vinted or whatever, so they have also doubled or even tripled their prices. It's an open secret that a lot of stores let the girls working there have a first lookover of whatever comes in.
- KolmogorovComp 9mo ago
  > There's enough of them, like mentioned in the article, that they'll pick any flea market or secondhand store clean off diamonds in the rough before you as a regular guy Usually the flea markets is open to everyone, it’s just that the ‘regular guy’ is not motivated enough to come early. There is nothing you find you cannot if you show up at the same time.
  - jorvi 9mo ago
    No normal person is getting up at 05:30 to go to a flea market. Like I said, they're not doing anything forbidden, but they've completely demolished the vibe of something formerly quaint. Imagine if I went to a hippie festival, bought trays and trays of cake from the food truck, then walked them two blocks over to the fancy neighborhood and started flipping them for triple the price. Word gets out, and a few years later the food truck has raised its prices significantly and then the rest of the festival follows.
    - KolmogorovComp 9mo ago
      > No normal person is getting up at 05:30 to go to a flea market. Of course there are, just go at that time and check. I know because I am one of them. 05:30 is not particularly early, and if you have a specific niche or quality standard and not just only a bystander, you know that is the only way. I am also not sure why you believe this trend is new. The diamonds as far as I know have always been found very early.
      - jorvi 9mo ago
        You're either delusional or just being a contrarian if you think being out the door at 05:30 is "not particularly early". McDonalds is still serving the dinner menu at that point. And you used to be able to find diamonds in the rough on flea markets, secondhand stores and even on online places like eBay, until 2013ish. That's when the professional reseller became more and more pervasive. Since you seem to think that flipping and scalping is a valuable addition to society, we have nothing to discuss.
        KolmogorovComp 9mo ago
        > You're either delusional or just being a contrarian if you think being out the door at 05:30 is "not particularly early" Have you never fished at the dawn, hiked for a sunrise, spent the night watching the stars? I think you may try to expand your horizon about other people hobbies.
        9mo ago
- allreduce 9mo ago
  In general, if you want to do something you more often than not have to compete nation or even worldwide. It makes markets more efficient in the minds of some economists, but makes creating or finding valuable things fucking exhausting.
  - Loughla 9mo ago
    My local area used to be great to find old used woodworking tools for cheap. I stocked my shop and would occasionally restore and resell a tool or two when I needed to buy something bigger for my shop. Then somebody posted about it on fucking Facebook. Now ragged out used tools sell for more than new price, and the buyers are always from cities 5+ hours away here to take advantage of the low prices since us country bumpkins don't know any better. Used tools were a nice way for young people to get started in the hobby. Now they're too expensive for that to be realistic.
  - chongli 9mo ago
    You can find those things on eBay now. Yes, they’re expensive, but that’s because the exhausting work of combing flea markets and estate sales has been done for you, so that value has been priced in. What people are really complaining about is that the hobbies of thrifting and collecting have been overrun by professionals. That’s going to suck for any hobby that involves buying and selling.
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- 0ckpuppet 9mo ago
  Is it really scalping? I have more interest than knowledge of what makes a good cookung knife. I could pay him for his knowledge and get a good and useful knife, or I could guess my way through half a dozen trips to the flea market with weeks of trial and error usage. Yes, one is a solution and the other is a journey, but if I'm committed to this particular journey, surf's up at 5:30 a.m.
- helsinkiandrew 9mo ago
  Is this really scalping? He’s getting up early, using hours of his time and knowledge to select good knives, cleaning, repairing, sharpening then providing a selection of good knives for others to buy. If you just want a decent knife I’d say he offers a good service that is cheaper and less risky than spending a day or more doing it yourself.
  - PunchyHamster 9mo ago
    It's close enough to scalping.
    - _vertigo 9mo ago
      He produces value by refining a raw resource. I don’t want to go to the flea market on my Sunday morning, maybe I’ll pay his markup.
      - Freak_NL 9mo ago
        He reuses (or rather, rehomes) too by finding buyers for cleaned and sharpened knifes of good quality. That's a plus from an environmental viewpoint. I dislike scalping where no real value is added to the service provided beyond getting there first, but this guy uses his skills to pick out good knifes, does quality assurance and presumably sharpening, and sells them with the ability to inform buyers about the type of knife and its intended use.
- Chris2048 9mo ago
  > The enthusiast offering ... because if everyone else is gouging the visitor, why shouldn't he? Or because the fee they pay (food truck licence, parking/market fee, tax, etc) is already priced as such so they have little choice. In my country, rent is very high, that's why coffee is so expensive (and coffee places struggle to stay afloat) - the stores compete heavily, but the landlord extracts most of the value. > The same goes for second-hand clothing stores. Isn't giving "the girls" first look / priority morally the same? The 2nd-hand stores wise to this could just as easily advertise on vinted, no? Describing all of this as 'hypercapitalist' seems hyperbolic to me.
  - convolvatron 9mo ago
    The booth fee at the sf flea market is $50. However you have to have a business license with the city (used to be around $35/yr) and register with the market in advance

jorvi 9mo ago

This is a general trend worldwide. OP's writing is nice, but he is de facto a scalper looking for the maximum amount of arbitrage. There's enough of them, like mentioned in the article, that they'll pick any flea market or secondhand store clean off diamonds in the rough before you as a regular guy really get a chance to find any. What they're doing isn't illegal or forbidden, but it has completely destroyed the spirit of flea markets and secondhand stores as quaint places. And in response to becoming as hypercapitalist as the rest of society, a large contingent of people on flea markets has started to offer whole tables stuffed with cheap AliExpress / Temu crap. Or AI art being sold as "handmade". The enthusiast offering artisanal coffee or lemonade or cinnamon rolls from his stall or food truck has quadrupled his prices, because if everyone else is gouging the visitor, why shouldn't he? The same goes for secondhand clothing stores. They're wise to the scalpers looking to flip stuff on Vinted or whatever, so they have also doubled or even tripled their prices. It's an open secret that a lot of stores let the girls working there have a first lookover of whatever comes in.

KolmogorovComp 9mo ago
> There's enough of them, like mentioned in the article, that they'll pick any flea market or secondhand store clean off diamonds in the rough before you as a regular guy Usually the flea markets is open to everyone, it’s just that the ‘regular guy’ is not motivated enough to come early. There is nothing you find you cannot if you show up at the same time.
- jorvi 9mo ago
  No normal person is getting up at 05:30 to go to a flea market. Like I said, they're not doing anything forbidden, but they've completely demolished the vibe of something formerly quaint. Imagine if I went to a hippie festival, bought trays and trays of cake from the food truck, then walked them two blocks over to the fancy neighborhood and started flipping them for triple the price. Word gets out, and a few years later the food truck has raised its prices significantly and then the rest of the festival follows.
  - KolmogorovComp 9mo ago
    > No normal person is getting up at 05:30 to go to a flea market. Of course there are, just go at that time and check. I know because I am one of them. 05:30 is not particularly early, and if you have a specific niche or quality standard and not just only a bystander, you know that is the only way. I am also not sure why you believe this trend is new. The diamonds as far as I know have always been found very early.
    - jorvi 9mo ago
      You're either delusional or just being a contrarian if you think being out the door at 05:30 is "not particularly early". McDonalds is still serving the dinner menu at that point. And you used to be able to find diamonds in the rough on flea markets, secondhand stores and even on online places like eBay, until 2013ish. That's when the professional reseller became more and more pervasive. Since you seem to think that flipping and scalping is a valuable addition to society, we have nothing to discuss.
      - KolmogorovComp 9mo ago
        > You're either delusional or just being a contrarian if you think being out the door at 05:30 is "not particularly early" Have you never fished at the dawn, hiked for a sunrise, spent the night watching the stars? I think you may try to expand your horizon about other people hobbies.
        9mo ago
allreduce 9mo ago
In general, if you want to do something you more often than not have to compete nation or even worldwide. It makes markets more efficient in the minds of some economists, but makes creating or finding valuable things fucking exhausting.
- Loughla 9mo ago
  My local area used to be great to find old used woodworking tools for cheap. I stocked my shop and would occasionally restore and resell a tool or two when I needed to buy something bigger for my shop. Then somebody posted about it on fucking Facebook. Now ragged out used tools sell for more than new price, and the buyers are always from cities 5+ hours away here to take advantage of the low prices since us country bumpkins don't know any better. Used tools were a nice way for young people to get started in the hobby. Now they're too expensive for that to be realistic.
- chongli 9mo ago
  You can find those things on eBay now. Yes, they’re expensive, but that’s because the exhausting work of combing flea markets and estate sales has been done for you, so that value has been priced in. What people are really complaining about is that the hobbies of thrifting and collecting have been overrun by professionals. That’s going to suck for any hobby that involves buying and selling.
  - deleted 9mo ago
    [deleted]
0ckpuppet 9mo ago
Is it really scalping? I have more interest than knowledge of what makes a good cookung knife. I could pay him for his knowledge and get a good and useful knife, or I could guess my way through half a dozen trips to the flea market with weeks of trial and error usage. Yes, one is a solution and the other is a journey, but if I'm committed to this particular journey, surf's up at 5:30 a.m.
helsinkiandrew 9mo ago
Is this really scalping? He’s getting up early, using hours of his time and knowledge to select good knives, cleaning, repairing, sharpening then providing a selection of good knives for others to buy. If you just want a decent knife I’d say he offers a good service that is cheaper and less risky than spending a day or more doing it yourself.
- PunchyHamster 9mo ago
  It's close enough to scalping.
  - _vertigo 9mo ago
    He produces value by refining a raw resource. I don’t want to go to the flea market on my Sunday morning, maybe I’ll pay his markup.
    - Freak_NL 9mo ago
      He reuses (or rather, rehomes) too by finding buyers for cleaned and sharpened knifes of good quality. That's a plus from an environmental viewpoint. I dislike scalping where no real value is added to the service provided beyond getting there first, but this guy uses his skills to pick out good knifes, does quality assurance and presumably sharpening, and sells them with the ability to inform buyers about the type of knife and its intended use.
Chris2048 9mo ago
> The enthusiast offering ... because if everyone else is gouging the visitor, why shouldn't he? Or because the fee they pay (food truck licence, parking/market fee, tax, etc) is already priced as such so they have little choice. In my country, rent is very high, that's why coffee is so expensive (and coffee places struggle to stay afloat) - the stores compete heavily, but the landlord extracts most of the value. > The same goes for second-hand clothing stores. Isn't giving "the girls" first look / priority morally the same? The 2nd-hand stores wise to this could just as easily advertise on vinted, no? Describing all of this as 'hypercapitalist' seems hyperbolic to me.
- convolvatron 9mo ago
  The booth fee at the sf flea market is $50. However you have to have a business license with the city (used to be around $35/yr) and register with the market in advance