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Average ops have never been less capable and adverse to programming than now. The problem is getting worse, not better. I know because I am in ops and one of th
by verdverm 10mo ago
Average ops have never been less capable and adverse to programming than now. The problem is getting worse, not better. I know because I am in ops and one of the few who loves to code and accidentally entered the field
- 0xbadcafebee 10mo agoBut the same is true of devs. Many of them are pretty clueless about coding. It's a whole generation of "bootcamp people" who were designers or bartenders and heard there were more lucrative jobs.
- rcoder 10mo agoI think that any kind of “modern ops” necessarily includes coding, even if there isn’t a ton of Python or Rust being generated as part of the workflow. Kubernetes deployment configurations and Ansible playbooks are code. PromQL is code. Dockerfiles and cloud-init scripts are code. Terraform HCL is code. It’s all code I personally hate writing, but that doesn’t make it less valid “software development” than (say) writing React code.
- CaveTech 10mo agoThese things are not nearly equivalent. It’s writing code, it’s not software engineering.
- SlightlyLeftPad 10mo agoCorrect, it’s systems engineering.
- verdverm 10mo agoIt's configuration management, systems engineering is low level imo
- SlightlyLeftPad 10mo agoI think you have it backwards. Systems engineering is the big picture discipline of designing & managing complex systems while config management is a specific process within that.
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- bigstrat2003 10mo agoNo way. I have worked in ops for 20 years now; almost everyone knows how to code. Some enjoy it and some don't, but people are capable of it and will do it when needed.
- verdverm 10mo agoI agree many can code, though a subset are certainly more scripting than engineering (like a typical 3-tier app) There is also a subset that is very allergic to coding at this point. I've interviewed enough to see people who only know HCL/yaml. There is enough need and work (waste?) in the space that roles like this can exist
- BanAntiVaxxers 10mo agoI see where you were coming from now. That sounds more like the Infra team. There are ops teams who are segmented in different ways. In my ops team, I don’t touch the infra and they don’t touch the applications.
- BanAntiVaxxers 10mo agoThis is a red flag. You should find a new Ops team to work with.