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OpenAI is in a tough spot. I just canceled my $200/month GPT-Pro subscription. 5.2-Pro is in decline -- it has been getting noticeably worse at a steady rate

OpenAI is in a tough spot. I just canceled my $200/month GPT-Pro subscription. 5.2-Pro is in decline -- it has been getting noticeably worse at a steady rate since introduction. At this point, it's not appreciably better for most queries than Claude 4.5 Opus, and Opus is roughly 10x faster.

the__alchemist 9mo ago
Noticed the same. Also, I noticed the same with the prev version, immediately improved when switching to the new 5.2. The smoking gun is the time. If I ask it a question that's subtle in "thinking" mode and it starts replying in a few seconds, the answer will probably be trash. I'm almost sure they degrade the models over time.
- IAmGraydon 9mo ago
  An interesting approach - start strong when everyone is running benchmarks, taper off through the life of the release, introduce new version that is no better than the last version but it magically seems much better by comparison to the degraded previous version. Rinse, repeat, grift.
weinzierl 9mo ago
My impression is that recently ChatGPT tries to avoid going out to research on the Internet as long as it can. I have to tell it to pull info from the web or verify its answers on the web explicitly. Could it be that they are trying to save traffic?
- probably_wrong 9mo ago
  My non-existent marketing instinct would tell me that they are trying to keep you inside the app to convince you that ChatGPT is the internet, the same way some people wouldn't know there's life outside Facebook. My grumpy instinct tells me they know that they're poisoning the internet and they have given out on trying to weed out the fake websites from the real ones.
franze 9mo ago
Or Opus 4.5 has gotten better since release? Can not point my finger at it but the code I get is most of the time super flawless.
jimbob45 9mo ago
In favor of what?
- A_D_E_P_T 9mo ago
  I downgraded to the $20 tier. I also have a $20/month subscription with Anthropic and another $20/month with Kimi. There was a time when $200/month for Pro made sense, but I don't think it's a good value right now.

the__alchemist 9mo ago

Noticed the same. Also, I noticed the same with the prev version, immediately improved when switching to the new 5.2. The smoking gun is the time. If I ask it a question that's subtle in "thinking" mode and it starts replying in a few seconds, the answer will probably be trash. I'm almost sure they degrade the models over time.

IAmGraydon 9mo ago
An interesting approach - start strong when everyone is running benchmarks, taper off through the life of the release, introduce new version that is no better than the last version but it magically seems much better by comparison to the degraded previous version. Rinse, repeat, grift.

weinzierl 9mo ago

My impression is that recently ChatGPT tries to avoid going out to research on the Internet as long as it can. I have to tell it to pull info from the web or verify its answers on the web explicitly. Could it be that they are trying to save traffic?

probably_wrong 9mo ago
My non-existent marketing instinct would tell me that they are trying to keep you inside the app to convince you that ChatGPT is the internet, the same way some people wouldn't know there's life outside Facebook. My grumpy instinct tells me they know that they're poisoning the internet and they have given out on trying to weed out the fake websites from the real ones.

franze 9mo ago

Or Opus 4.5 has gotten better since release? Can not point my finger at it but the code I get is most of the time super flawless.

jimbob45 9mo ago

In favor of what?

A_D_E_P_T 9mo ago
I downgraded to the $20 tier. I also have a $20/month subscription with Anthropic and another $20/month with Kimi. There was a time when $200/month for Pro made sense, but I don't think it's a good value right now.