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Mercosur has been under construction for more than two decades, it has little to do with Trump

by usrnm 9mo ago

hvb2 9mo ago
It passing does
- mantas 9mo ago
  I don’t think so. This is not first time euro bureaucrats pull off shit like this. Apply cutthroat regulations locally and push through cheap imports. Then cry about local industries struggling. Rinse and repeat.
  - fakedang 9mo ago
    To be fair, Europe is tired of its farmers rioting and the general public welcomes the trade deal. If the farmers are crying about struggling against competition, I have a tiny violin to play for them.
    - mantas 9mo ago
      Maybe lift all the green deal stuff on our own farmers while at it? Let’s make it a fair competition. What’s next, let in shitty US food? I don’t see general public welcoming it. Most people don’t seem to even know about it. Out of those who do know, many don't seem to be happy about it. Also, fucking over our farmers in unstable world does not seem like a smart thing to do. It’s time to do opposite and double-down on sovereignty on all fronts. And food sovereignty was one of very few sectors where EU got it right. Our food is not cheap, but we got plenty locally and quality is pretty good.
      - hvb2 9mo ago
        > Also, fucking over our farmers in unstable world does not seem like a smart thing to do. Everyone can solve this for their own farmers. Just buy local, problem solved. Does that mean some things might be a bit more expensive? Yes, you're paying to keep them around just like you might want someone to pay for you to be employed. If we don't it's a race to the bottom for everyone.
        mantas 9mo ago
        It works when eating at home and making from scratch. How about eating out? Good luck pushing cheaper part of the sector to buy local. And not just pay lip service. And reality is many many people will just buy cheaper option and won’t thin about the impact.
      - oaiey 9mo ago
        I do not see any empty fields left and right. Despite farmers complaining since 30 years about every single trade deal. Honestly I have not seen an unused field ever. And as long the fields are producing food this is just a change in income or structure of an industry.
        mantas 9mo ago
        Coming from ex-USSR… I’m used to unused fields. Nowadays situation is better. Where soil is best, all (most?) fields are used. But in other parts of the country unused fields are not uncommon. It doesn’t help that we are getting only a fraction of EU farming subsidies. While fancy machinery cost the same as for western counterparts. So Netherlands with higher wages are outpricing our farmers :D I think it’s matter of time when more and more of those deals will reach the tipping point. And after that it will be very hard to restore local agriculture.
  - hvb2 9mo ago
    I'm not sure it would've happened without the US messing around. Other countries look more favorable now than they did before.
    - mantas 9mo ago
      Favorable in what sense beyond sticking it to US? I’m against similar trade deal with US too. Or pretty much any other country. At best some shitty lobbyists used it as a scapegoat to push through a bad deal.
selectodude 9mo ago
Mercosur has been on ice for more than two decades because the US wasn’t a huge fan. Now that we’ve shredded the relationship with both areas, they signed on the dotted line.

Mercosur has been under construction for more than two decades, it has little to do with Trump

by usrnm 9mo ago

Mercosur has been under construction for more than two decades, it has little to do with Trump

hvb2 9mo ago

It passing does

mantas 9mo ago
I don’t think so. This is not first time euro bureaucrats pull off shit like this. Apply cutthroat regulations locally and push through cheap imports. Then cry about local industries struggling. Rinse and repeat.
- fakedang 9mo ago
  To be fair, Europe is tired of its farmers rioting and the general public welcomes the trade deal. If the farmers are crying about struggling against competition, I have a tiny violin to play for them.
  - mantas 9mo ago
    Maybe lift all the green deal stuff on our own farmers while at it? Let’s make it a fair competition. What’s next, let in shitty US food? I don’t see general public welcoming it. Most people don’t seem to even know about it. Out of those who do know, many don't seem to be happy about it. Also, fucking over our farmers in unstable world does not seem like a smart thing to do. It’s time to do opposite and double-down on sovereignty on all fronts. And food sovereignty was one of very few sectors where EU got it right. Our food is not cheap, but we got plenty locally and quality is pretty good.
    - hvb2 9mo ago
      > Also, fucking over our farmers in unstable world does not seem like a smart thing to do. Everyone can solve this for their own farmers. Just buy local, problem solved. Does that mean some things might be a bit more expensive? Yes, you're paying to keep them around just like you might want someone to pay for you to be employed. If we don't it's a race to the bottom for everyone.
      - mantas 9mo ago
        It works when eating at home and making from scratch. How about eating out? Good luck pushing cheaper part of the sector to buy local. And not just pay lip service. And reality is many many people will just buy cheaper option and won’t thin about the impact.
    - oaiey 9mo ago
      I do not see any empty fields left and right. Despite farmers complaining since 30 years about every single trade deal. Honestly I have not seen an unused field ever. And as long the fields are producing food this is just a change in income or structure of an industry.
      - mantas 9mo ago
        Coming from ex-USSR… I’m used to unused fields. Nowadays situation is better. Where soil is best, all (most?) fields are used. But in other parts of the country unused fields are not uncommon. It doesn’t help that we are getting only a fraction of EU farming subsidies. While fancy machinery cost the same as for western counterparts. So Netherlands with higher wages are outpricing our farmers :D I think it’s matter of time when more and more of those deals will reach the tipping point. And after that it will be very hard to restore local agriculture.
- hvb2 9mo ago
  I'm not sure it would've happened without the US messing around. Other countries look more favorable now than they did before.
  - mantas 9mo ago
    Favorable in what sense beyond sticking it to US? I’m against similar trade deal with US too. Or pretty much any other country. At best some shitty lobbyists used it as a scapegoat to push through a bad deal.

selectodude 9mo ago

Mercosur has been on ice for more than two decades because the US wasn’t a huge fan. Now that we’ve shredded the relationship with both areas, they signed on the dotted line.