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Whenever you hear a politician say "carbon neutral by 2050", interrupt them. The real goal is to avoid getting too far over 1.5 degrees warming. We need to avoi
by vaylian 9mo ago
Whenever you hear a politician say "carbon neutral by 2050", interrupt them. The real goal is to avoid getting too far over 1.5 degrees warming. We need to avoid reaching tipping points that will cause non-recoverable damage to the earth system. The year 2050 is meaningless. Actual global average temperatures is what should be measured.
- threethirtytwo 9mo agoA couple years back I saw articles about how we're basically less than a year from the tipping point. Then nothing. My guess is we passed the tipping point. It's inevitable by now.
- mistrial9 9mo agoBerkeley Earth berkeleyearth.org › home › global temperature report for 2023 Global Temperature Report for 2023 - Berkeley Earth February 29, 2024 - 2023 was the warmest year on Earth since direct observations began, and the first year to exceed 1.5 °C above our 1850-1900 average. ...
- AlecSchueler 9mo agoFor sure but we can still stop making it even worse.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 9mo ago2050 is not meaningless. Its close enough to feel like its achievable but far enough away that you can put off immediate action and still feel there is time to get it done. Reminds of the lyrics of the spirit of the west song: It's a ways outside of town But the distance has its uses Close enough to make the effort Far enough to make excuses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZXgl5KxUQY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZXgl5KxUQY
- shrubby 9mo agohttps://theshovel.com.au/2021/10/26/man-announces-he-will-quit-drinking-by-2050/ https://theshovel.com.au/2021/10/26/man-announces-he-will-qu... This.
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- Faaak 9mo agoEven if we stop all emissions right now, we'll exceed the 1.5C target, so...
- agentultra 9mo agoEvery point of a degree we can mitigate will matter a lot.
- pjerem 9mo agoThe nice thing with climate change is that it can always get worse ! If we miss the 1.5 target then the next target is 1.51. And so on.
- b00ty4breakfast 9mo agoThe Doomerist paralysis has been engineered by the folks who look to benefit the most from inaction, mainly the fossil fuel and related industries. To not even attempt to head for the lifeboats is suicide.
- networkadmin 9mo agoExactly what is it about CO2, a plant food, that scares you so much? You do realize that green plants react to increased CO2 percentage with stronger growth? You're the one calling me a "doomer"?
- WaxProlix 9mo agoPlants and humans both love water, but you can still drown.
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- WA 9mo agoPlease attempt steelmanning the global warming greenhouse effect and its consequences as an intellectual exercise.
- themafia 9mo ago> We need to avoid reaching tipping points that will cause non-recoverable damage to the earth system. Then I'd be far more worried about nuclear war than minor temperature excursions. Aside from that "non recoverable" damage happens every day. What do you think mining is? > Actual global average temperatures is what should be measured. On average it was 10 degrees Fahrenheit cooler last year than it was the previous where I live in northern CA.
- misnome 9mo agoCongratulations, you know the local weather
- simianparrot 9mo agoLocal weather is what matters to individuals. So is access to affordable energy. You cannot coerce someone to ignore their local weather and sabotage access to affordable energy because of some global average. It’s a losing battle that’s fundamentally misled.
- oezi 9mo agoYou have to coerce the individual to follow the strategic direction despite tactical disadvantages. This is what leadership means. If we all individually spend more money to accommodate the effects of climate change than their causes, then we are wasting enormous economic resources.
- simianparrot 9mo agoSure, but local is a radius. There's my local, then there's my region's local, then there's my country's local. As wonderful as globalism sounds on paper, if saving the global average leads to a drought or a flood for another country, or another region, then you are trying to convince others of giving up a lot for no tangible relevant gain.
- cco 9mo agoYou're still hearing politicians talk about climate change? This could be an American bubble but I haven't heard talk of climate change from US politicians, or the other global leaders that filter through our news cycle, since 2023.
- apublicfrog 9mo agoOf course. Here's the Australian PM 4 months ago: https://www.pm.gov.au/media/setting-australias-2035-climate-change-target https://www.pm.gov.au/media/setting-australias-2035-climate-... Here's the NZ PM last month: https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/rural-news/rural-general-news/leaving-paris-agreement-christopher-luxon https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/rural-news/rural-general-ne... I would imagine it's a relevant political football in most first world countries. I avoid American news, but the bits I see make me think it's probably still focused on culture war garbage.
- Freedom2 9mo agoI don't think it's that easy to interrupt politicians, especially these days as more and more protections are justifiably given to them. Do you have an example where you personally interrupted a politician effectively?
- deadbabe 9mo agoThat goal is no longer possible.
- vaylian 9mo agoI agree that staying below 1.5°C is extremely unlikely at this point. But it is still worthwhile to try to keep it under 1.6°C.
- immibis 9mo agoIsn't it interesting how the warming target is always a few tenths of a degree above the current level of warming?
- lukasm 9mo agoMy new conspiracy theory is that Trump wants Greenland, because most of south and central America will be too hot. There are 800mln people south of Colorado. 30% will emigrate north. :)