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True. Those who think they are being unfair just now, this is actually the fairest they've been since forever. Fairest in terms of arm twisting and other tactic

by devsda 9mo ago

True. Those who think they are being unfair just now, this is actually the fairest they've been since forever. Fairest in terms of arm twisting and other tactics being applied to everyone equally instead of being selective. Previously it was on the lines of the west and the rest, but now its just America and the rest.

mindslight 9mo ago
So edgy, much wow. Try continuing this line of thought instead of stopping at one novel half-thought. Perhaps there is something to the western world order that's worth defending? As an American I will argue against my government's unilateral global adventurism all day long. That certainly doesn't mean that expanding the behavior is progress.
- devsda 9mo ago
  > As an American I will argue against my government's unilateral global adventurism all day long I'm sure there are many Americans who would oppose this adventurism. I'm not sure whether that's because they believe its just a bad strategy to continue the status quo or because its just plainly a wrong way to treat other nations by force. > That certainly doesn't mean that expanding the behavior is progress. I don't mean it as progress. Its a regression but I hope there's a silver-lining at the end of all this for everyone.
  - mindslight 9mo ago
    > I don't mean it as progress You ascribed the label "fairest" as if the current state is closer to a desired ideal. This is a standard pattern of fascist propaganda - pointing out the longstanding normalized hypocrisy in the system in support of going backwards to where we didn't even try to live up to something better. If you'd focused on what you see as the positive path forward, in spite of current events, then I wouldn't have written my comment.
    - devsda 9mo ago
      In what twisted imaginary world is saying that a serial killer was fair to all his victims by being equally brutal with all of them means killing was the desired ideal. I'm not sure who proposed going backwards or what it even means. Everyone is acknowledging the hypocrisy because it is hitting their bottom line this time. I would like to see links to your opinions where you pointed to the "longstanding normalized hypocrisy in the systen" as a problem before the tariff nonsense.
      - mindslight 9mo ago
        > In what twisted imaginary world is saying that a serial killer was fair Exactly this. One doesn't use the word "fair" to begin with. Being killed is decidedly not fair, period. > I would like to see links to your opinions where you pointed to the "longstanding normalized hypocrisy in the systen" as a problem before the tariff nonsense. Write a script go to back through my HN comments as far as you'd like? I don't have a blog or anything. Off the top of my head - I was against the Iraq War, against Obama's drone assassinations, against intervention in Libya, against Israel's apartheid and genocide except for maybe two weeks after Oct 7 (they burned through their credibility that fast). The main US international military action I've ever been in support of is helping Ukraine - it seems like a just defensive war of people who earnestly want liberalization and closer ties to the western sphere of influence. But even on that subject, the covert US meddling that set that stage for that conflict is still condemnable. On a different but related topic, I've been against the surveillance industry ("big tech") from around when the term AJAX was coined. Is there anything else you'd like my opinion on to show I'm not new to the subject?
        eagle2com 9mo ago
        How about in a cynical sarcastic context? Do you think "fair" still has no place in it? That's how I interpreted the original message anyway. I guess I still have hope, maybe foolishly, that people don't mean it literally.
        9mo ago
antisthenes 9mo ago
As resources become more scarce, tribalism emerges. A tale as old as time, for those who have even the slightest education in history.
- tpm 9mo ago
  It's not resources (this time), it's the US' sinking relative standing in the world that is causing this. Any self-respecting empire facing the end of its global domination wants to self-destruct violently instead of slowly disappearing. Hence WW1&2 and now whatever will this be.

by devsda 9mo ago

mindslight 9mo ago

So edgy, much wow. Try continuing this line of thought instead of stopping at one novel half-thought. Perhaps there is something to the western world order that's worth defending? As an American I will argue against my government's unilateral global adventurism all day long. That certainly doesn't mean that expanding the behavior is progress.

devsda 9mo ago
> As an American I will argue against my government's unilateral global adventurism all day long I'm sure there are many Americans who would oppose this adventurism. I'm not sure whether that's because they believe its just a bad strategy to continue the status quo or because its just plainly a wrong way to treat other nations by force. > That certainly doesn't mean that expanding the behavior is progress. I don't mean it as progress. Its a regression but I hope there's a silver-lining at the end of all this for everyone.
- mindslight 9mo ago
  > I don't mean it as progress You ascribed the label "fairest" as if the current state is closer to a desired ideal. This is a standard pattern of fascist propaganda - pointing out the longstanding normalized hypocrisy in the system in support of going backwards to where we didn't even try to live up to something better. If you'd focused on what you see as the positive path forward, in spite of current events, then I wouldn't have written my comment.
  - devsda 9mo ago
    In what twisted imaginary world is saying that a serial killer was fair to all his victims by being equally brutal with all of them means killing was the desired ideal. I'm not sure who proposed going backwards or what it even means. Everyone is acknowledging the hypocrisy because it is hitting their bottom line this time. I would like to see links to your opinions where you pointed to the "longstanding normalized hypocrisy in the systen" as a problem before the tariff nonsense.
    - mindslight 9mo ago
      > In what twisted imaginary world is saying that a serial killer was fair Exactly this. One doesn't use the word "fair" to begin with. Being killed is decidedly not fair, period. > I would like to see links to your opinions where you pointed to the "longstanding normalized hypocrisy in the systen" as a problem before the tariff nonsense. Write a script go to back through my HN comments as far as you'd like? I don't have a blog or anything. Off the top of my head - I was against the Iraq War, against Obama's drone assassinations, against intervention in Libya, against Israel's apartheid and genocide except for maybe two weeks after Oct 7 (they burned through their credibility that fast). The main US international military action I've ever been in support of is helping Ukraine - it seems like a just defensive war of people who earnestly want liberalization and closer ties to the western sphere of influence. But even on that subject, the covert US meddling that set that stage for that conflict is still condemnable. On a different but related topic, I've been against the surveillance industry ("big tech") from around when the term AJAX was coined. Is there anything else you'd like my opinion on to show I'm not new to the subject?
      - eagle2com 9mo ago
        How about in a cynical sarcastic context? Do you think "fair" still has no place in it? That's how I interpreted the original message anyway. I guess I still have hope, maybe foolishly, that people don't mean it literally.
        9mo ago

antisthenes 9mo ago

As resources become more scarce, tribalism emerges. A tale as old as time, for those who have even the slightest education in history.

tpm 9mo ago
It's not resources (this time), it's the US' sinking relative standing in the world that is causing this. Any self-respecting empire facing the end of its global domination wants to self-destruct violently instead of slowly disappearing. Hence WW1&2 and now whatever will this be.