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See the recent news about Canada strengthening economic ties with China and welcoming them into their auto market. This wouldn’t have happened in a million year

by paxys 10mo ago

See the recent news about Canada strengthening economic ties with China and welcoming them into their auto market. This wouldn’t have happened in a million years had it not been for US tariffs and hostilities towards Canada. America is truly uniting the world (against them).

padjo 10mo ago
The EU/Mercosur deal looks like it’s going to pass too. This move will only make it more likely. America first will become America alone pretty quickly.
- jijijijij 10mo ago
  I think this is the biggest indicator of permanent damage. The EU politicians aren't as impulsive and loud as the US, they won't do anything drastic when necessary changes take time to implement. They will buffer this hurt as much as they can, to cut their losses. However, the fact the trade deal now suddenly passed, after 20 years(?) of talk, points to a fundamental shift behind the scenes. Things are clearly in progress. I presume, it's the lack of opposition and outrage. Americans letting it happen. It's evident, there is no waiting this out. Today it's Trump, tomorrow it's Vance or whatever lunatic. 38 trillion debt, but nothing to show for it, foreign assets abandoned, power projection crumbling and spread thin. Things are expected to get unstable. The US will never be trusted or even respected again, not any time soon.
  - blibble 10mo ago
    > The US will never be trusted or even respected again, not any time soon. not until the US fundamentally changes its political system such that this type of capture can't happen again which short of a civil war, I can't see happening
    - jijijijij 10mo ago
      The president who is willing to fix this will have to bend the knee. The US behavior is straight insulting and caused major economic damage. If your drunk uncle pointed a gun to your head, a simple "Sorry!" won't do. Quite frankly, considering the wide diplomatic damage and collapsing influence, paired with its deep social, cultural and economic internal issues... I can totally see the US failing. They depend so much on power projection and economic influence, I don't see how they could possibly manage on their own. What will happen to the dollar if the US isn't guaranteeing stability anymore? The debt will explode and former allies may call on their stake. Due to the AI bubble, the American economy is worse than it looks. It may all come down together. Is California going to hold the bag for Florida? What's being American other than an international embarrassment and a bully, at this point? How strong is the shared identity when it comes to it? With ICE and all, can they get over the differences in "opinion" about who's deserving human rights and who doesn't?
      - fritzorino 10mo ago
        > What's being American other than an international embarrassment and a bully, at this point? This is a good point and I don't know what the answer is. To be American is to be a citizen of Eternal Trumpistan. Trump is America and America is Trump at this point. They have no soft power on the world stage at all any more, they're largely detested, even by their own friends. The USA had an important role to play in the rest of the 21st century and China could have been contained. But it's over now. Good job Americans. Good job you fucking morons.
      - haizhung 10mo ago
        > The president who is willing to fix this will have to bend the knee. A similar instance of this is happening currently in the talks between EU/UK — The EU is demanding a „Farage“ clause. They want a guarantee that the damages are paid for in case Farage becomes prime minister and will roll back all treaties and trade deals and what not. Which, to be fair, makes total sense.
      - Imustaskforhelp 10mo ago
        I have a similar take and I have written in one of the comments here about it but America's biggest export has been finance and this just seals the deal. "Quite frankly, considering the wide diplomatic damage and collapsing influence, paired with its deep social, cultural and economic internal issues... I can totally see the US failing" The only thing that a new democrat president or any new president even the most extremely fixable can do is risk mitigation. Its like the breaking point of a rubber band, they have streched it far enough and now it wont go back no matter how much amounts of sorry I don't know, I was highly pessimistic about Trump from the start but even I didn't expect this much, at this point, its game over. I used to chalk up some things to stupidity due to Occam's razor but when you combine all of these things together (especially with Epstein files), to me it doesn't feel like stupidity but malicious behaviour. I was feeling when trump flipped off an american citizen to be weird and now this. At this point, just give me a break from world politics as a non American, the news cycle is so fast and depressing, like moving the world a century back depressing
  - Imustaskforhelp 10mo ago
    EU is also this close to making a deal with India and both India and EU are enthusiastic about this deal or EU is very optimistic to create a deal with India A deal which was being on hold for atleast a decade. It's just not the EU which is more willing to make deals but the rest of world (India got hit with 50% tarrifs) as well.
slfreference 10mo ago
Whitelands or Anglosphere will always be cooperating and coordinating because blood is thicker than water. So all these developments of Canada moving closer to China are superficial. When push comes to shove, the real affinities or allegiances will be revealed, ie the anglosphere will stick together.
- burnerzzzzz 10mo ago
  Yes, its not like white people would start world wars fighting each other or anything
  - slfreference 10mo ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z07v-ttoJZs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z07v-ttoJZs When Carlin asks about the last white people America bombed, he answers his own question: the Germans, and specifically notes they're "the only ones." But here's the key part of his argument: America didn't bomb Germany for moral reasons or because they were evil - we bombed them because "they were trying to cut in on our action. They wanted to dominate the world." His punchline: "Fuck that, that's our fucking job."
- bmacho 10mo ago
  So you think that the Canadians or the Danish love you for your skin color(?) but you don't do the same, and just threaten them and take their lands? This doesn't make any sense.
  - slfreference 10mo ago
    Remember how Denmark supported the illegal creation of Kosovo without a UN resolution, on the basis of self-concocted EU rules? Today they’re being subjected to something similar. Thank you Donald Trump for holding these hypocrites to account

by paxys 10mo ago

padjo 10mo ago

The EU/Mercosur deal looks like it’s going to pass too. This move will only make it more likely. America first will become America alone pretty quickly.

jijijijij 10mo ago
I think this is the biggest indicator of permanent damage. The EU politicians aren't as impulsive and loud as the US, they won't do anything drastic when necessary changes take time to implement. They will buffer this hurt as much as they can, to cut their losses. However, the fact the trade deal now suddenly passed, after 20 years(?) of talk, points to a fundamental shift behind the scenes. Things are clearly in progress. I presume, it's the lack of opposition and outrage. Americans letting it happen. It's evident, there is no waiting this out. Today it's Trump, tomorrow it's Vance or whatever lunatic. 38 trillion debt, but nothing to show for it, foreign assets abandoned, power projection crumbling and spread thin. Things are expected to get unstable. The US will never be trusted or even respected again, not any time soon.
- blibble 10mo ago
  > The US will never be trusted or even respected again, not any time soon. not until the US fundamentally changes its political system such that this type of capture can't happen again which short of a civil war, I can't see happening
  - jijijijij 10mo ago
    The president who is willing to fix this will have to bend the knee. The US behavior is straight insulting and caused major economic damage. If your drunk uncle pointed a gun to your head, a simple "Sorry!" won't do. Quite frankly, considering the wide diplomatic damage and collapsing influence, paired with its deep social, cultural and economic internal issues... I can totally see the US failing. They depend so much on power projection and economic influence, I don't see how they could possibly manage on their own. What will happen to the dollar if the US isn't guaranteeing stability anymore? The debt will explode and former allies may call on their stake. Due to the AI bubble, the American economy is worse than it looks. It may all come down together. Is California going to hold the bag for Florida? What's being American other than an international embarrassment and a bully, at this point? How strong is the shared identity when it comes to it? With ICE and all, can they get over the differences in "opinion" about who's deserving human rights and who doesn't?
    - fritzorino 10mo ago
      > What's being American other than an international embarrassment and a bully, at this point? This is a good point and I don't know what the answer is. To be American is to be a citizen of Eternal Trumpistan. Trump is America and America is Trump at this point. They have no soft power on the world stage at all any more, they're largely detested, even by their own friends. The USA had an important role to play in the rest of the 21st century and China could have been contained. But it's over now. Good job Americans. Good job you fucking morons.
    - haizhung 10mo ago
      > The president who is willing to fix this will have to bend the knee. A similar instance of this is happening currently in the talks between EU/UK — The EU is demanding a „Farage“ clause. They want a guarantee that the damages are paid for in case Farage becomes prime minister and will roll back all treaties and trade deals and what not. Which, to be fair, makes total sense.
    - Imustaskforhelp 10mo ago
      I have a similar take and I have written in one of the comments here about it but America's biggest export has been finance and this just seals the deal. "Quite frankly, considering the wide diplomatic damage and collapsing influence, paired with its deep social, cultural and economic internal issues... I can totally see the US failing" The only thing that a new democrat president or any new president even the most extremely fixable can do is risk mitigation. Its like the breaking point of a rubber band, they have streched it far enough and now it wont go back no matter how much amounts of sorry I don't know, I was highly pessimistic about Trump from the start but even I didn't expect this much, at this point, its game over. I used to chalk up some things to stupidity due to Occam's razor but when you combine all of these things together (especially with Epstein files), to me it doesn't feel like stupidity but malicious behaviour. I was feeling when trump flipped off an american citizen to be weird and now this. At this point, just give me a break from world politics as a non American, the news cycle is so fast and depressing, like moving the world a century back depressing
- Imustaskforhelp 10mo ago
  EU is also this close to making a deal with India and both India and EU are enthusiastic about this deal or EU is very optimistic to create a deal with India A deal which was being on hold for atleast a decade. It's just not the EU which is more willing to make deals but the rest of world (India got hit with 50% tarrifs) as well.

slfreference 10mo ago

Whitelands or Anglosphere will always be cooperating and coordinating because blood is thicker than water. So all these developments of Canada moving closer to China are superficial. When push comes to shove, the real affinities or allegiances will be revealed, ie the anglosphere will stick together.

burnerzzzzz 10mo ago
Yes, its not like white people would start world wars fighting each other or anything
- slfreference 10mo ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z07v-ttoJZs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z07v-ttoJZs When Carlin asks about the last white people America bombed, he answers his own question: the Germans, and specifically notes they're "the only ones." But here's the key part of his argument: America didn't bomb Germany for moral reasons or because they were evil - we bombed them because "they were trying to cut in on our action. They wanted to dominate the world." His punchline: "Fuck that, that's our fucking job."
bmacho 10mo ago
So you think that the Canadians or the Danish love you for your skin color(?) but you don't do the same, and just threaten them and take their lands? This doesn't make any sense.
- slfreference 10mo ago
  Remember how Denmark supported the illegal creation of Kosovo without a UN resolution, on the basis of self-concocted EU rules? Today they’re being subjected to something similar. Thank you Donald Trump for holding these hypocrites to account