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Never thought I'd see NATO under such pressure in my lifetime.
by CodingJeebus 9mo ago
Never thought I'd see NATO under such pressure in my lifetime.
- palata 9mo agoUnder those conditions, one could wonder if NATO is still actually a thing.
- jleyank 9mo agoIf the Europeans plus Canada want it to exist, it exists. Otherwise, yeah, scrap heap of history.
- hermanzegerman 9mo agoEU has it's own more robust defence agreement.
- jleyank 9mo agoCan Canada join, or has it? Other non-EU countries?
- aebtebeten 9mo agoI'm sure Canada could join Operation Arctic Endurance; has it yet?
- illiac786 9mo agoHow is it more robust? There is no EU army, is there?
- hermanzegerman 9mo agoThe EU defence clause is more binding than the NATO Article 5. It also demands that the other states * obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power* whereas Article 5 let's other states decide how much aid they want to supply
- Hamuko 9mo agoThere's no NATO army either.
- illiac786 9mo agoJust check for “NATO troops”. That’s a term that exists and mean something.
- zwirbl 9mo agoIt means something, but doesn't imply the existence of a NATO rmy
- illiac786 9mo agook, but now we’re nit-picking about the meaning of “army”. There are “NATO troops” while there aren’t “EU Troops”. I would still like to understand why previous poster said the EU defense agreement was more robust, I am genuinely curious about what that agreement contains and how well it was respected in the past.
- magicalhippo 9mo ago> I am genuinely curious about what that agreement contains and how well it was respected in the past. Easy enough to find[1]. Here[2] is a nice article which digs a bit deeper into how it might play out. [1]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/glossary/mutual-defence-clause.html https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/glossary/mutual-d... (links to the treaty section if you want the text verbatim) [2]: https://www.politico.eu/article/5-things-to-know-about-the-eu-common-defense-clause/ https://www.politico.eu/article/5-things-to-know-about-the-e...
- palata 9mo ago> ok, but now we’re nit-picking about the meaning of “army”. You started nitpicking...
- tim333 9mo agoNATO is 32 countries with a Dutch guy as the head. Without the US there'd still be a lot of armed forces - infographic: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/NATO-Army-Sizes_Website.png https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/...