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> My genuine trouble with this kind of post is that I don’t know if it is true. Same thought I had. I mean, it sounds pretty bad but it's also making no attemp

> My genuine trouble with this kind of post is that I don’t know if it is true. Same thought I had. I mean, it sounds pretty bad but it's also making no attempt at all to report an unbiased view. I'd like to hear from officials. What are their goals, and why are they doing it this way? I don't think the majority of Trump voters wanted this kind of harm and chaos.

willmarch 9mo ago
Then why aren’t they speaking out against it?
- tejohnso 9mo ago
  That's well established human behaviour. People don't necessarily speak out against something just because they think it's wrong.
  - willmarch 9mo ago
    Is it? I see a lot of democrats speaking out, but few republicans. What do you think makes the difference?
blactuary 9mo ago
What is the unbiased view of a federal agency geared up for war kidnapping and terrorizing people in the streets of American city? You have no idea what it's like here right now.
- tejohnso 9mo ago
  > You have no idea what it's like here right now. I don't have any idea and I'm not trying to defend or justify. > What is the unbiased view of a federal agency geared up for war kidnapping and terrorizing people in the streets of American city? That's exactly what I'd like to know. The report didn't provide one. That's my point. Which is fine, they didn't intent to, they were just telling their truth. But those ICE agents have a perspective, they have motivations, they're people, and while reading the report I was curious about what they might have to say about their actions.
  - blactuary 9mo ago
    > I'm not trying to defend or justify Yes you are, when you say things like this: > those ICE agents have a perspective, they have motivations, they're people They are racist, fascist thugs, it's that simple. They want to terrorize immigrants and brown people. There is no need to overthink this. They are racially profiling people every day, and arresting citizens because they are minorities. They shot a mother in the head and now they are telling the rest of us "didn't you learn your lesson?", alluding to that murder. They tear-gassed a family of 6 trying to get home the other day, including a 6 month old baby that lost consciousness. The family had nothing to do with anything, they were simply trying to get home in an area ICE was attacking. What "perspective" could possibly change anything about this shameful behavior?
  - blactuary 9mo ago
    Here is an agent arresting a US citizen, for the expressed reason of having an accent. What is the perspective and motivation here? https://bsky.app/profile/premthakker.bsky.social/post/3mcnjwqy5y227 https://bsky.app/profile/premthakker.bsky.social/post/3mcnjw...
UncleMeat 9mo ago
Stephen Miller has been extremely public about what they are doing. If you are waiting to hear from officials it is because you are closing your ears.
- tejohnso 9mo ago
  I'm just talking about one report. I'm not waiting to hear from anyone. I just passively consume what happens to come my way, and this is the first report about this situation that I saw on HN and took time to read.
  - datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
    Please educate yourself. The message is not hidden like some cryptic puzzle. Read, read, read. And from more than just one news source. Many. Recognize the bias.
datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
> I don't think the majority of Trump voters wanted this kind of harm and chaos. Sorry to be vulgar, but it’s about fucking time they find the fucking courage to speak up. I am angry at the conservative people in my life, first and second connections and beyond, not because they fell for 8 years of increasingly fascist propaganda, but because now they’re too weak and scared and cowardly to stand up and recognize that they were wrong and they’ve ushered in some of the darkest days in American history. The American right continues to be complicit. I am losing respect daily while I watch my conservative friends not speak out. It’s heartbreaking.
- yencabulator 9mo ago
  Then your friends are not conservative, just right-wing.
cosmicgadget 9mo ago
Mass deportations was his signature campaign promise. It's exactly what they voted for.
cmurf 9mo ago
They knowingly voted for a racist, a rapist, a felon ... A man who as president sent a mob to assassinate the vice-president of the United States and members of Congress, because that VPOTUS, Mike Pence, refused Trump's illegal order to overturn an election both of them had lost. Trump voters understood.

willmarch 9mo ago

Then why aren’t they speaking out against it?

tejohnso 9mo ago
That's well established human behaviour. People don't necessarily speak out against something just because they think it's wrong.
- willmarch 9mo ago
  Is it? I see a lot of democrats speaking out, but few republicans. What do you think makes the difference?

blactuary 9mo ago

What is the unbiased view of a federal agency geared up for war kidnapping and terrorizing people in the streets of American city? You have no idea what it's like here right now.

tejohnso 9mo ago
> You have no idea what it's like here right now. I don't have any idea and I'm not trying to defend or justify. > What is the unbiased view of a federal agency geared up for war kidnapping and terrorizing people in the streets of American city? That's exactly what I'd like to know. The report didn't provide one. That's my point. Which is fine, they didn't intent to, they were just telling their truth. But those ICE agents have a perspective, they have motivations, they're people, and while reading the report I was curious about what they might have to say about their actions.
- blactuary 9mo ago
  > I'm not trying to defend or justify Yes you are, when you say things like this: > those ICE agents have a perspective, they have motivations, they're people They are racist, fascist thugs, it's that simple. They want to terrorize immigrants and brown people. There is no need to overthink this. They are racially profiling people every day, and arresting citizens because they are minorities. They shot a mother in the head and now they are telling the rest of us "didn't you learn your lesson?", alluding to that murder. They tear-gassed a family of 6 trying to get home the other day, including a 6 month old baby that lost consciousness. The family had nothing to do with anything, they were simply trying to get home in an area ICE was attacking. What "perspective" could possibly change anything about this shameful behavior?
- blactuary 9mo ago
  Here is an agent arresting a US citizen, for the expressed reason of having an accent. What is the perspective and motivation here? https://bsky.app/profile/premthakker.bsky.social/post/3mcnjwqy5y227 https://bsky.app/profile/premthakker.bsky.social/post/3mcnjw...

UncleMeat 9mo ago

Stephen Miller has been extremely public about what they are doing. If you are waiting to hear from officials it is because you are closing your ears.

tejohnso 9mo ago
I'm just talking about one report. I'm not waiting to hear from anyone. I just passively consume what happens to come my way, and this is the first report about this situation that I saw on HN and took time to read.
- datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
  Please educate yourself. The message is not hidden like some cryptic puzzle. Read, read, read. And from more than just one news source. Many. Recognize the bias.

datsci_est_2015 9mo ago

> I don't think the majority of Trump voters wanted this kind of harm and chaos. Sorry to be vulgar, but it’s about fucking time they find the fucking courage to speak up. I am angry at the conservative people in my life, first and second connections and beyond, not because they fell for 8 years of increasingly fascist propaganda, but because now they’re too weak and scared and cowardly to stand up and recognize that they were wrong and they’ve ushered in some of the darkest days in American history. The American right continues to be complicit. I am losing respect daily while I watch my conservative friends not speak out. It’s heartbreaking.

yencabulator 9mo ago
Then your friends are not conservative, just right-wing.

cosmicgadget 9mo ago

Mass deportations was his signature campaign promise. It's exactly what they voted for.

cmurf 9mo ago

They knowingly voted for a racist, a rapist, a felon ... A man who as president sent a mob to assassinate the vice-president of the United States and members of Congress, because that VPOTUS, Mike Pence, refused Trump's illegal order to overturn an election both of them had lost. Trump voters understood.